Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-12-12.
2011-12-12 03:28:08+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-12-12 03:35:10+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-12-12 04:58:22+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-12 06:37:39+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-12-12 06:55:35+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-12 07:18:43+0000 tartarugafeliz1 (tartarugafeliz1) is now online 2011-12-12 07:19:20+0000 tartarugafeliz2 (tartarugafeliz2) is now online 2011-12-12 07:36:59+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-12-12 07:51:09+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-12-12 08:15:38+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-12 08:16:40+0000 tartarugafeliz1 (tartarugafeliz1) is now online 2011-12-12 08:30:20+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-12-12 12:02:01+0000 <dachary> hop 2011-12-12 12:02:37+0000 <dachary> This has been a crazy week, sorry for not showing up nor answering to pings. 2011-12-12 12:04:06+0000 <dachary> I've been offered a full time position to make (libre) software for cloud. This is going to be quite an adventure :-) 2011-12-12 12:14:24+0000 <dachary> I'm afraid it also means I won't be able to contribute to cardstories anymore. 2011-12-12 12:30:37+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-12 12:31:17+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: hey loic 2011-12-12 12:31:27+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: hey 2011-12-12 12:31:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :( I'm sorry but I'm sad with this news... 2011-12-12 12:32:04+0000 <antoviaque> sorry I ust saw your message - sad news : ( 2011-12-12 12:32:04+0000 <dachary> I'm sad too. Although I'm excited by the prospect of this new work, leaving cardstories is unpleasant :-( 2011-12-12 12:32:19+0000 <antoviaque> actually good news for you, but damned :/ 2011-12-12 12:32:58+0000 <antoviaque> what will you be doing exactly there btw? code or sysadmin? 2011-12-12 12:34:28+0000 <antoviaque> can I ask you also about the reasons? I think it would be good for the project to try to take into account what led you to this choice 2011-12-12 12:34:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap is it something I drew? :P 2011-12-12 12:34:52+0000 <dachary> I'll be doing code & sysadmin 2011-12-12 12:35:25+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: ahaha. What you draw is so appealing that it's never going to be an issue ;-) 2011-12-12 12:36:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> why is it then? : ) 2011-12-12 12:38:32+0000 <dachary> when I think about it there is only one substantial difference. The software I'm going to work on is being used by the company's client. The company income comes from their clients and is based on the software. ( it takes some time for me to write this in a sensible way ). 2011-12-12 12:39:28+0000 <dachary> Other than this there really is no difference. But I think it matters to me : knowing that my work is the basis of the income of the company. 2011-12-12 12:39:36+0000 <antoviaque> you mean, rather than coming from investors? because we do have users, although they aren't clients (yet) 2011-12-12 12:39:47+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: yes 2011-12-12 12:40:44+0000 <dachary> cardstories is yet to find its business model while the new company has an already established business model ( simple one for that matter : hosting ;-) 2011-12-12 12:40:45+0000 <antoviaque> hmmm... what if we were to push monetization now? would that change your perspective? 2011-12-12 12:41:41+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: when cardstories is an established business, there will be no difference indeed 2011-12-12 12:43:07+0000 <antoviaque> but what about the phase to transform it into a business? what makes it less appealing (sorry for pushing, just trying to understand better : ) ) 2011-12-12 12:44:44+0000 * dachary thinking 2011-12-12 12:49:05+0000 <dachary> Has there been discussions about the business model in the past 6 weeks ? I'm often not around and maybe I missed them. 2011-12-12 12:50:43+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yup, on the latest stories, about levels and cards - let me find the link 2011-12-12 12:51:57+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/648 - which is the prerequisite to add selling cards 2011-12-12 12:53:35+0000 <antoviaque> I've also spent quite some time researching the best way to process payments (cf http://wiki.farsides.com/w/Software_to_use#Online_Payment ) and how to best bill for those 2011-12-12 12:54:15+0000 <antoviaque> (for example, the recurring providers options of credited account, on a monthly or "per package" payment, give several options there) 2011-12-12 12:55:15+0000 * dachary read the links 2011-12-12 13:00:31+0000 <dachary> I missed all this indeed. 2011-12-12 13:02:18+0000 <dachary> Looking for a business model and implementing it is however substantially different from ensuring that it keeps going. 2011-12-12 13:03:06+0000 <antoviaque> so you prefer maintening to building? 2011-12-12 13:03:39+0000 <dachary> Although I'm interested in establishing a business model, this is not my favorite topic, because I'm a developer. Ensuring the software keeps running to sustain a business model is closer to what I'm used ot. 2011-12-12 13:04:40+0000 <antoviaque> I see - I have to admit I'm surprised, but on that area it's true that CS can't compete, at least for now 2011-12-12 13:04:55+0000 <dachary> Maintaining a business model means creating software most of the time. Creating a business model is very difficult and I'm kind of helpless because it's not my strong suit. 2011-12-12 13:05:48+0000 <dachary> I think that's why I feel more comfortable in an established business model. Is it less surprising when explained like this ? 2011-12-12 13:06:17+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe it's something that you need now too - some rest from all this crazy entrepreneurial stuff? 2011-12-12 13:06:53+0000 <antoviaque> I'm still surprised because I used to think you liked that part : ) 2011-12-12 13:08:01+0000 <antoviaque> But it's also something I really understand, so the conclusion is less surprising with that in mind 2011-12-12 13:12:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> *crying* 2011-12-12 13:12:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-12-12 13:13:35+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: in any case, many thanks for everything you've contributed to Card Stories - the proect wouldn't be what it is today without you : ) 2011-12-12 13:13:54+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-12-12 13:14:53+0000 <antoviaque> and again, the door will always be open - who knows, you may grow tired of the established business in a few months :p 2011-12-12 13:15:08+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I actually think this new undertaking is going to be a challenge. However, it will not be a challenge from an enterpreneur point of view. 2011-12-12 13:15:37+0000 * dachary console tartarugafeliz 2011-12-12 13:15:44+0000 <antoviaque> I see - more focus on the technical part rather than the business building, right? 2011-12-12 13:15:45+0000 <dachary> s/console/conforts/ 2011-12-12 13:16:01+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-12-12 13:16:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> come here to talk to us sometimes ok?! and play with us too when you have time! :) 2011-12-12 13:16:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we'll miss yooou 2011-12-12 13:16:23+0000 <antoviaque> $ ssh crying@tartarugafeliz 2011-12-12 13:16:30+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-12-12 13:16:44+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: yes. Free software in the cloud is a huge technical and philosophical topic. 2011-12-12 13:18:59+0000 <antoviaque> it is - I'd be quite interested in knowing how you approach the philosophical part actually, I still haven't a clear opinion about it 2011-12-12 13:19:34+0000 <antoviaque> it's full of dangers for individual freedoms, but also exciting technically 2011-12-12 13:19:46+0000 <antoviaque> (quite like every technology shift when you think about it) 2011-12-12 13:20:23+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: hello! you missed the beginning of the discussion I think, dachary has taken a job 2011-12-12 13:20:36+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: sending you the log 2011-12-12 13:20:51+0000 <mtyaka> hello everybody! 2011-12-12 13:21:20+0000 <antoviaque> (sent by email) 2011-12-12 13:21:30+0000 <antoviaque> hey : ) 2011-12-12 13:22:00+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: hi ! 2011-12-12 13:23:13+0000 <mtyaka> dachary: congratulations on the new job! sorry to know you'll be leving cardstories, though. 2011-12-12 13:24:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi mtyaka!! 2011-12-12 13:26:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: it is impossible to guarantee 100% the code / data in the cloud won't be tampered with. You need to trust the provider to not spy on you. However, unless you're completly unaware of these issues and willing to give away all your data voluntarily to a corporation like facebook, there are reasonable and efficient *enough* crypto protection that will solve the problem. 2011-12-12 13:26:40+0000 <dachary> If the cloud provider breaks the crypto protection of your virtual machine, he breaks laws and can be punished for it. 2011-12-12 13:27:39+0000 <dachary> The crypto protection does not need to be 100%, it needs only ensure the data cannot be leaked *accidentaly* by the provider. He would have to break something to get in, and therefore be liable for it. 2011-12-12 13:28:26+0000 <antoviaque> interesting - it's not the approach of most providers though, or of services who need to *compute* the data themselves 2011-12-12 13:29:04+0000 <antoviaque> but it depends on what we mean by cloud actually, as the definition changes a lot depending on who is speaking : ) 2011-12-12 13:30:31+0000 <antoviaque> meeting time 2011-12-12 13:30:36+0000 <antoviaque> eve__: start dailymeeting 2011-12-12 13:30:36+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-12-12 13:30:55+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-12-12 13:32:37+0000 <antoviaque> hey blanchard1 2011-12-12 13:33:38+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: you missed a sad discussion with dachary - he accepted a job and won't be able to keep contributing to CS :/ (sending you the log) 2011-12-12 13:33:42+0000 <blanchard1> hi 2011-12-12 13:33:43+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Made some progress on #676 "User management - Use a single id for each user, shared by django, the JS client and the webservice" (still some work though), some more research on payment processing http://wiki.farsides.com/w/Software_to_use#Online_Payment 2011-12-12 13:33:43+0000 <eve> Done: Made some progress on #676 "User management - Use a single id for each user, shared by django, the JS client and the webservice" (still some work though), some more research on payment processing http://wiki.farsides.com/w/Software_to_use#Online_Payment 2011-12-12 13:33:44+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today Discuss Work on #676, discuss with mtyaka about finding a test task for MCMic, discuss how to handle code reviews without dachary being present 2011-12-12 13:33:44+0000 <eve> Next: Discuss Work on #676, discuss with mtyaka about finding a test task for MCMic, discuss how to handle code reviews without dachary being present 2011-12-12 13:33:44+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers Discussing None 2011-12-12 13:33:44+0000 <eve> Blockers: Discussing None 2011-12-12 13:33:43+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Started to think about performance improvements on CS: wrote #682 "Epic: Players see the game loading faster, especially when upon connection", and looked more closely at #528 "Game is slow on some computers" (mtyaka let me know what you think about http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/528#note-17 2011-12-12 13:33:44+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I don't know who yesterday Started to think about performance improvements on CS: wrote #682 "Epic: Players see the game loading faster, especially when upon connection", and looked more closely at #528 "Game is 2011-12-12 13:34:32+0000 <blanchard1> eve, yesterday : N/A 2011-12-12 13:34:32+0000 <eve> Done: : N/A 2011-12-12 13:34:32+0000 <blanchard1> eve, today : some admin, not much else (free lance search & school prep) 2011-12-12 13:34:32+0000 <eve> Next: : some admin, not much else (free lance search & school prep) 2011-12-12 13:34:32+0000 <blanchard1> eve, blockers : no 2011-12-12 13:34:32+0000 <eve> Blockers: : no 2011-12-12 13:34:42+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: argh :/ 2011-12-12 13:35:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: yesterday I did the printed version of CS 2011-12-12 13:35:21+0000 <eve> Done: I did the printed version of CS 2011-12-12 13:35:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: today I'll work on my projects, but I'm around if you need me :) 2011-12-12 13:35:21+0000 <eve> Next: I'll work on my projects, but I'm around if you need me :) 2011-12-12 13:35:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blockers need to know if I can pay with Farsides card for moo.com, its all done on the shop, I still have the card details. Also, I need your address blanchard1! :) 2011-12-12 13:35:21+0000 <eve> Blockers: need to know if I can pay with Farsides card for moo.com, its all done on the shop, I still have the card details. Also, I need your address blanchard1! :) 2011-12-12 13:36:00+0000 <blanchard1> tartarugafeliz: sure you can use the card (what's the amount ?) 2011-12-12 13:36:04+0000 <blanchard1> hi tartarugafeliz :) 2011-12-12 13:36:06+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: printed version = deck of cards to send to the winners right? : ) 2011-12-12 13:36:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and its only arriving on the January 12th, so I'll send to you just to be sure we'll get it, but I can meet you to get it and I want to wrap it up in cute paper and then send. :) 2011-12-12 13:36:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello blanchard1!! :) 2011-12-12 13:36:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap!! 2011-12-12 13:36:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> printed cards to send to our winners! 2011-12-12 13:36:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Order Total: 2011-12-12 13:36:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> £48.49 2011-12-12 13:36:49+0000 <antoviaque> oh and I forgot the new version for tomorrow, too - I'll be reviewing & pushing it 2011-12-12 13:36:52+0000 <blanchard1> tartarugafeliz: i give you my adress here on the chat if you want 2011-12-12 13:36:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! :) 2011-12-12 13:37:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its faster! 2011-12-12 13:37:17+0000 <blanchard1> 69 bd de reuilly 75012 Paris 2011-12-12 13:37:22+0000 <blanchard1> tartarugafeliz: ^ 2011-12-12 13:37:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thanks! 2011-12-12 13:37:30+0000 <blanchard1> np 2011-12-12 13:38:12+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: I'll have a few things to discuss with you when you have time : ) (cf my report) 2011-12-12 13:39:03+0000 * blanchard1 reading discussion log w/ Loic 2011-12-12 13:42:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so tomorrow we'll have the new card online? :D 2011-12-12 13:42:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> antoviaque: Ë 2011-12-12 13:42:36+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: yep 2011-12-12 13:42:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> \o/!!! 2011-12-12 13:43:03+0000 <antoviaque> leaving the meeting open for mtyaka's report, he probably got interrupted 2011-12-12 13:43:47+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: blanchard1: dachary is still around btw, feel free to try to make him stay too, I tried already :p 2011-12-12 13:45:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I think he didn't like my ninja cat :P 2011-12-12 13:47:49+0000 <mtyaka> sorry, got interrupted... 2011-12-12 13:47:54+0000 <mtyaka> eve: yesterday Finished #606 (buggy results) and #611 (game does not exist). Took some time to look into #654 (empty alert box), but don't have a solution yet. 2011-12-12 13:47:54+0000 <eve> Done: Finished #606 (buggy results) and #611 (game does not exist). Took some time to look into #654 (empty alert box), but don't have a solution yet 2011-12-12 13:47:56+0000 <mtyaka> eve: today Try to find a solution for #654. 2011-12-12 13:47:56+0000 <eve> Next: Try to find a solution for #654 2011-12-12 13:47:58+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blockers None. 2011-12-12 13:47:58+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-12-12 13:48:39+0000 <antoviaque> cool, saw your updates : ) 2011-12-12 13:48:49+0000 <antoviaque> hopefully the bug list will dry up soon ;p 2011-12-12 13:49:13+0000 <mtyaka> I hope so :) 2011-12-12 13:50:26+0000 <antoviaque> btw, let me know what you think about #682 and #528 when you have time (and #682 is not urgent) 2011-12-12 13:51:01+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: trying to make dachary change his mind would seem to me an even bigger challenge than convincing investors ;) 2011-12-12 13:51:28+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe - not sure if anyone can do that actually :p 2011-12-12 13:52:00+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: we'll also need to discuss a bit about how we handle stuff without dachary (like code reviews, or finding a test task for MCMic) - but again when you have time, I know right now you're in the middle of your ob day 2011-12-12 13:52:06+0000 <antoviaque> *job 2011-12-12 13:52:17+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: I saw your comments on #528, they make sense, but I'll have to re-read more carefully 2011-12-12 13:52:45+0000 <blanchard1> ok i have to go back to school work for a while, i'll be back a bit later, continue admin stuff and on the chat 2011-12-12 13:52:51+0000 <antoviaque> yup - if I go perster them on the big, will be good to be sure of ourselves ;p 2011-12-12 13:53:03+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: see you 2011-12-12 13:53:31+0000 <antoviaque> good luck with your school work :p 2011-12-12 13:53:43+0000 <antoviaque> (I sound like a mum, no?) 2011-12-12 13:56:21+0000 <dachary> blanchard1: :-) 2011-12-12 13:56:28+0000 <dachary> i'm stuborn indeed 2011-12-12 13:59:45+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-12-12 14:01:09+0000 <antoviaque> s/on the big/on the bug/ 2011-12-12 14:14:52+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: is it ok if we have the discussion tomorrow? Today is one of those crazy days. 2011-12-12 14:15:08+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: no problem : ) 2011-12-12 14:15:23+0000 <mtyaka> cool :) 2011-12-12 14:15:27+0000 <antoviaque> good luck dealing with all : ) 2011-12-12 14:15:39+0000 <mtyaka> thanks :) 2011-12-12 14:43:01+0000 <antoviaque> eve__: end dailymeeting 2011-12-12 14:43:01+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-12-12 14:43:01+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/519734 2011-12-12 15:07:05+0000 tartarugafeliz1 (tartarugafeliz1) is now online 2011-12-12 15:29:20+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-12-12 21:12:18+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-12-12 22:04:02+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online
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