Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2012-03-23.
2012-03-23 01:51:41+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 07:07:32+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2012-03-23 08:27:52+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2012-03-23 10:20:08+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2012-03-23 10:30:23+0000 creator (creator) is now online 2012-03-23 11:05:14+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 11:39:27+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 12:57:08+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2012-03-23 13:27:49+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 13:29:22+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2012-03-23 13:30:12+0000 <antoviaque> hello! 2012-03-23 13:30:16+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting 2012-03-23 13:30:17+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry, meeting in progress. 2012-03-23 13:30:20+0000 <arbrandes> hehehhe 2012-03-23 13:30:21+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end meeting 2012-03-23 13:30:23+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2012-03-23 13:30:23+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/569985 2012-03-23 13:30:24+0000 <antoviaque> grmmml 2012-03-23 13:30:29+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting 2012-03-23 13:30:30+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve: (done|next|blocked by) <first thing>, <second thing>, ..." 2012-03-23 13:30:40+0000 <mtyaka> :) 2012-03-23 13:31:09+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2012-03-23 13:31:13+0000 <antoviaque> eve: done Posted HT.com on HN & replied to comments ; Wrote a script to convert the applications to HTML format ; sent emails to coders who had applied ; Gave a skype interview about HT to a news website 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Good job! 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next Solve spam issue (coders got the email in their spam folder) ; Try to be there at the client meeting with arbrandes ; Start reviewing applications ; Read & comment on mathibus docs & test again CS 2.8 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Quite a plan. 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blocked by Hacker school (client meetings) ; Escrowing 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> antoviaque: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> My notes of antoviaque's report: 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque worked on: 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Posted HT.com on HN & replied to comments 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Wrote a script to convert the applications to HTML format 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * sent emails to coders who had applied 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Gave a skype interview about HT to a news website 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque will be working on next: 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Solve spam issue (coders got the email in their spam folder) 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Try to be there at the client meeting with arbrandes 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Start reviewing applications 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Read & comment on mathibus docs & test again CS 2.8 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> - What's blocking antoviaque: 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Hacker school (client meetings) 2012-03-23 13:31:14+0000 <eve> * Escrowing 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <arbrandes> eve: done HT stuff (mostly sending emails :) 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Good job! 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <arbrandes> eve: next More HT emails, review coder applications, chat at 4pm CDT, YC application, set up sprint 2.9. 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Quite a plan. 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <arbrandes> eve: blocked by nothing. 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Glad to hear that 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> My notes of arbrandes's report: 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes worked on: 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> * HT stuff (mostly sending emails :) 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes will be working on next: 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> * More HT emails, review coder applications, chat at 4pm CDT, YC application, set up sprint 2.9 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> - What's blocking arbrandes: 2012-03-23 13:31:58+0000 <eve> * nothing 2012-03-23 13:32:15+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2012-03-23 13:32:39+0000 <arbrandes> I'm starting to believe Paul Graham when he says a startup takes over your life, hehehehe 2012-03-23 13:32:40+0000 <arbrandes> ;) 2012-03-23 13:32:48+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for the good work btw arbrandes, you handle really well :) 2012-03-23 13:32:50+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2012-03-23 13:33:06+0000 <antoviaque> yes, it's a pretty demanding deamon 2012-03-23 13:33:15+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, np Xav, it's been really exciting :) 2012-03-23 13:33:27+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, agreed! 2012-03-23 13:33:36+0000 <arbrandes> I love the HTML conversion, btw 2012-03-23 13:33:42+0000 <arbrandes> much, much easier on the eyes 2012-03-23 13:33:45+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2012-03-23 13:34:19+0000 <mtyaka> well done antoviaque and arbrandes! I'm sorry I can't be more involved myself but it's a pleasure to observe you handling this so well :) 2012-03-23 13:34:31+0000 <mtyaka> eve: done Worked on #849 (The player can close results box), had some problems trying to reuse animate_scale, will try another approach. 2012-03-23 13:34:31+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Good job! 2012-03-23 13:34:32+0000 <mtyaka> eve: next Try to finish #894. 2012-03-23 13:34:32+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Quite a plan. 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blocked by Need the close button (the circle with the X) for the results box from tartarugafeliz (although it's not really a blocker because I've reused the invitation one for now). 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> mtyaka: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> My notes of mtyaka's report: 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> - What mtyaka worked on: 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> * Worked on #849 (The player can close results box), had some problems trying to reuse animate_scale, will try another approach 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> - What mtyaka will be working on next: 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> * Try to finish #894 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> - What's blocking mtyaka: 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <eve> * Need the close button (the circle with the X) for the results box from tartarugafeliz (although it's not really a blocker because I've reused the invitation one for now) 2012-03-23 13:34:34+0000 <antoviaque> :D thanks mtyaka! 2012-03-23 13:34:37+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, thanks dude :) 2012-03-23 13:34:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> It's not on the folder? :) 2012-03-23 13:35:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll check that 2012-03-23 13:35:27+0000 <mtyaka> I couldn't find it :) 2012-03-23 13:35:37+0000 <mtyaka> I could have just missed it, though 2012-03-23 13:35:38+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, yeah, animate_scale is like a web framework: excellent for the standard use case, but deviate just a little, and you end up having more trouble than if you'd written something from scratch, hehehe 2012-03-23 13:36:25+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: I was probably trying to abuse it, so no wonder it didn't work the way i wanted it :) 2012-03-23 13:36:43+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, ok then 2012-03-23 13:36:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you're right arbrandes its missing, I'll upload 2012-03-23 13:37:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> mtyaka I meant 2012-03-23 13:37:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaah sorry 2012-03-23 13:37:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: done I worked on my drawings for the course. 2012-03-23 13:37:56+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Good job! 2012-03-23 13:37:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: next today I'll work on my freelancers, if you need anything I'm here. 2012-03-23 13:37:56+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Quite a plan. 2012-03-23 13:37:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blocked by nothing. 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Glad to hear that 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> My notes of tartarugafeliz's report: 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz worked on: 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> * I worked on my drawings for the course 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz will be working on next: 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> * today I'll work on my freelancers, if you need anything I'm here 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> - What's blocking tartarugafeliz: 2012-03-23 13:37:57+0000 <eve> * nothing 2012-03-23 13:39:49+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-23 13:39:49+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "Hacker school (client meetings)" (from antoviaque) 2012-03-23 13:39:54+0000 <antoviaque> ah, yep 2012-03-23 13:40:09+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: so, I'm going to try to be there, but it's going to be tricky at HS 2012-03-23 13:40:30+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, btw, did you see folyo.me on the comments? Exactly what HT does but for design. Have you used it before? Just curious. 2012-03-23 13:40:31+0000 <antoviaque> in case I can't, do you need to discuss anything beforehand? 2012-03-23 13:41:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: I saw it and in my opinion they really suck :S 2012-03-23 13:41:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the design is horrible right on the first page, so⦠no, I would never use 2012-03-23 13:41:23+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I'm going to prepare for the chat during the day, can I ask you questions as I go? Would you rather I do it here or through team@ht? 2012-03-23 13:41:34+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, hahahhaa, yeah, that's a really bad sign right there :) 2012-03-23 13:41:36+0000 <antoviaque> here it's good 2012-03-23 13:41:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2012-03-23 13:41:44+0000 <mtyaka> hahaha 2012-03-23 13:41:53+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, thanks :) 2012-03-23 13:42:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but after we're good enough with the coders, I suggest we do the same with design too 2012-03-23 13:42:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but with GOOD design 2012-03-23 13:42:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2012-03-23 13:42:45+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: btw, more generally on this topic, unless I dropped from HS, handling the clients is going to be tricky for me in the coming month because of my chaotic schedule. Think you can own that part, and I'm there in support? 2012-03-23 13:43:14+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, I' m ALL for it. I've had more than one designer friend ask me to do it, too. :) 2012-03-23 13:43:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> kewl!!! 2012-03-23 13:43:34+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: +1 - would be really great :D 2012-03-23 13:44:01+0000 <antoviaque> and it would give you an excellent excuse to join as a founder :p 2012-03-23 13:44:08+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I can definitely own it. I've actually looking for something to own so I can, you know, be like a partner... Hehehhe ;) 2012-03-23 13:44:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yup 2012-03-23 13:44:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2012-03-23 13:44:16+0000 <arbrandes> *I've been 2012-03-23 13:44:26+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yes, I had this in mind too :) 2012-03-23 13:44:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> btw arbrandes I love the way you're handling the emails 2012-03-23 13:44:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you're very good at it! :) 2012-03-23 13:45:02+0000 <antoviaque> if there is anything else that you want to be responsible for, don't hesitate - you need to feel it's your project : ) 2012-03-23 13:45:16+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, thanks a lot, honestly! I don't feel like I know what I'm doing, yet, but I hope I get the hang of it soon. :) 2012-03-23 13:45:40+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: you do - you're good communicator :) 2012-03-23 13:45:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> agreed! 2012-03-23 13:46:10+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-23 13:46:11+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "Escrowing" (from antoviaque) 2012-03-23 13:46:11+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, thanks, and I offer the converse (is this the right term? hehehe) - if you find anything you'd like me to own, just holler. :) 2012-03-23 13:46:25+0000 <antoviaque> ok, that one is more for blanchard, but I forgot he wasn't there today :p 2012-03-23 13:46:29+0000 <arbrandes> thanks guys, this is why I like working with you. I think the marriage is going to work. Hahahah... :) 2012-03-23 13:46:38+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: will do! :D 2012-03-23 13:46:58+0000 * antoviaque specialist of passing the hot ball to others :p 2012-03-23 13:47:02+0000 <arbrandes> lol, antoviaque 2012-03-23 13:47:17+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-23 13:47:17+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "Need the close button (the circle with the X) for the results box from tartarugafeliz (although it's not really a blocker because I've reused the invitation one for now)" (from mtyaka) 2012-03-23 13:47:24+0000 <antoviaque> ok that one is done 2012-03-23 13:47:27+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-23 13:47:28+0000 <eve> antoviaque: That's all folks! 2012-03-23 13:47:33+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2012-03-23 13:47:38+0000 <antoviaque> thanks :) 2012-03-23 13:47:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I just uploaded mtyaka 2012-03-23 13:47:50+0000 * antoviaque going to fix spam problems 2012-03-23 13:47:53+0000 <mtyaka> tartarugafeliz: thanks a lot! 2012-03-23 13:47:54+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end meeting 2012-03-23 13:47:55+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2012-03-23 13:47:55+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/569989 2012-03-23 13:48:10+0000 <arbrandes> okeydoke! 2012-03-23 13:48:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=f6488664919476c8bf54a52192563299f3fa8233&n=close_on.png 2012-03-23 13:48:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and the other is close_over.png 2012-03-23 13:48:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2012-03-23 13:59:43+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: btw from the 6 client leads, only one replied so far? 2012-03-23 14:00:12+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, not done sending emails to the rest - I'm doing that now 2012-03-23 14:01:08+0000 <antoviaque> ah ok - cool, thx! 2012-03-23 14:01:18+0000 * antoviaque off to hacker school 2012-03-23 14:36:46+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2012-03-23 15:42:38+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2012-03-23 15:42:41+0000 <antoviaque> re 2012-03-23 17:21:42+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: did you know right click in a list of issues ? 2012-03-23 18:00:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: on redmine? 2012-03-23 18:00:48+0000 <antoviaque> hello btw : ) 2012-03-23 18:11:03+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 18:21:51+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: hello 2012-03-23 18:21:55+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: yes, on redmine 2012-03-23 18:22:38+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yep, I knew the trick - pretty cool uh? :) 2012-03-23 18:23:19+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: btw hackertrade.com was on the home of HN all day yesterday - about 70 coders candidatures & 6 clients leads :) 2012-03-23 18:24:06+0000 <dachary> very cool 2012-03-23 18:24:27+0000 <dachary> Oo 2012-03-23 18:24:45+0000 <dachary> gtg, you have to tell me more about it, sound awesome 2012-03-23 18:24:46+0000 <dachary> great 2012-03-23 18:24:56+0000 * dachary speaking like a true new-yorker ;-) 2012-03-23 18:46:45+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 18:51:30+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2012-03-23 19:03:56+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: the meetings are now right? 2012-03-23 19:04:22+0000 <antoviaque> not sure if I got the timezones right when I put it in my agenda ;p 2012-03-23 19:04:24+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, the first one is at 4pm EDT, in one hour 2012-03-23 19:04:33+0000 <arbrandes> (if I'm not mistaken) 2012-03-23 19:04:41+0000 <antoviaque> arf, I hate timezones :p 2012-03-23 19:04:43+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2012-03-23 19:04:45+0000 <arbrandes> about the timezones, I mean, hehehe 2012-03-23 19:04:52+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2012-03-23 19:04:57+0000 <arbrandes> yup, hate them too 2012-03-23 19:05:13+0000 <arbrandes> The next one is at 4pm CDT, in 2 hours. :P 2012-03-23 19:05:14+0000 <antoviaque> we should have a World Time that we use for this :) 2012-03-23 19:05:23+0000 <arbrandes> agreed wholeheartedly 2012-03-23 19:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2012-03-23 19:06:05+0000 <antoviaque> I'm still not sure if I'll be able to attend - they are doing some 121 this afternoon, and it could end up at the same time 2012-03-23 19:06:43+0000 <antoviaque> I was thinking that maybe it's best if I don't attend at all, to avoid having to disappear in the middle, or having to do alt tabs at the wrong moment :) 2012-03-23 19:06:48+0000 <antoviaque> what do you think? 2012-03-23 19:06:49+0000 <arbrandes> ok, do your best, but I'll try to handle it as best I can if you're not there - you can check the transcripts later. 2012-03-23 19:06:54+0000 <arbrandes> ah, ok 2012-03-23 19:07:08+0000 <antoviaque> yes, I was thinking about that, I can simply read it afterwards 2012-03-23 19:07:23+0000 <arbrandes> okeydoke, then! 2012-03-23 19:07:43+0000 <antoviaque> sorry to leave you all that : ) 2012-03-23 19:08:15+0000 <antoviaque> need anything in advance? anything you'd rather discuss before? 2012-03-23 19:10:53+0000 <arbrandes> Well, what I'm doing is taking a look at their profiles now, so that during the chat I can try to build a simple spec of what they need, and take note of their reaction to the 5%/5% division. I also plan to ask their expectation of a deadline, to see if we need to handle their projects quickly. 2012-03-23 19:11:15+0000 <arbrandes> I'm starting to write a few bullet points of what to ask, actually 2012-03-23 19:11:24+0000 <arbrandes> Anything special you'd like to see answered? 2012-03-23 19:11:31+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque ^ 2012-03-23 19:11:55+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good yep 2012-03-23 19:12:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> maybe asking if they agree with talking every day for 5 min on the chat and the procedures... 2012-03-23 19:12:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> just to be sure they understood 2012-03-23 19:12:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: antoviaque 2012-03-23 19:12:28+0000 <antoviaque> true 2012-03-23 19:12:38+0000 <arbrandes> good one, tartarugafeliz - adding it to the list 2012-03-23 19:12:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> : ) 2012-03-23 19:12:50+0000 <arbrandes> thanks :) 2012-03-23 19:12:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> maybe also ask to the clients if its ok for them to pay the task 2012-03-23 19:13:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> to leave everything really clear 2012-03-23 19:13:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and no doubts at all you know? 2012-03-23 19:13:18+0000 <antoviaque> also maybe try to get a good feel of how they think about pricing (if they are open to negotiate if the deve is a bit more expensive but a good match, how they would feel about billing the way we do it at farsides) 2012-03-23 19:13:26+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha, exactly :) 2012-03-23 19:13:43+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, agreed, completely 2012-03-23 19:14:04+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, that's also a good point to take up, it's sure to happen a lot 2012-03-23 19:15:06+0000 <antoviaque> (ie Farsides = task estimated in advance, pricing by the hour, and discussion if the estimate is exceeded + arbitring from us if disagreement) 2012-03-23 19:15:42+0000 <antoviaque> that could be a nice middle ground between the package preference of clients and the per hour preference of coders 2012-03-23 19:16:15+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, excellent point - after all, it's the solution we came up with that works, right? 2012-03-23 19:16:22+0000 <antoviaque> exactly : ) 2012-03-23 19:16:40+0000 <antoviaque> it's good to have farsides as an example, we can use it a lot in those cases :) 2012-03-23 19:16:48+0000 <arbrandes> Yeah, important realization, again - when in doubt, use Farsides :) 2012-03-23 19:16:53+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2012-03-23 19:17:27+0000 <antoviaque> ah, something else too 2012-03-23 19:17:38+0000 <antoviaque> maybe get a feel of their existing processes & tools 2012-03-23 19:17:54+0000 <antoviaque> that could help us determine how we are going to handle following all that 2012-03-23 19:18:12+0000 <arbrandes> agreed, added to the list 2012-03-23 19:18:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's going to be a huge conversation 2012-03-23 19:18:32+0000 <antoviaque> or maybe they will be open to use ours? but in any case we need to know : ) 2012-03-23 19:18:35+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, yep 2012-03-23 19:18:46+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, good point, I was going to try to keep it under half an hour. Let's see how it goes, heheheh 2012-03-23 19:18:53+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2012-03-23 19:19:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> maybe for stuff that doesn't need a lot of discussion we can give them a form to complete 2012-03-23 19:19:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> before talking 2012-03-23 19:20:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because then you save this time going to the conversation already knowing the basics 2012-03-23 19:20:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and the conversation is more to confirm and answer questions that both parts can have 2012-03-23 19:20:43+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, that's a good point - maybe after these first discussions we can add fields to the application form 2012-03-23 19:21:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I was thinking even before 2012-03-23 19:21:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> there are questions that you're going to ask that can be done in a form very fast for the client - and very efficient 2012-03-23 19:21:32+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, a bit late for that - the first meeting is in 40 minutes ;) 2012-03-23 19:21:40+0000 <arbrandes> I meant after these first two 2012-03-23 19:21:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> no no I wasn't talking about this one :) 2012-03-23 19:21:48+0000 <arbrandes> Maybe for the next chats tomorrow, hehehhe 2012-03-23 19:22:02+0000 <arbrandes> Okeydoke, I agree 2012-03-23 19:22:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap I know, its just that I think with time if you don't do this, you'll be crazy and in meetings the whole day arbrandes :D 2012-03-23 19:22:10+0000 <antoviaque> hum, don't know 2012-03-23 19:22:19+0000 <antoviaque> because we're learning, not just selecting them 2012-03-23 19:22:19+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, I agree 2012-03-23 19:22:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap but we can learn before discussing 2012-03-23 19:22:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you know what I mean? 2012-03-23 19:23:16+0000 <antoviaque> I know yep - and I agree that it should be part of the automation process 2012-03-23 19:23:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because then the discussion has more content, cause both parts will know already what's going to be talk about and the questions everyone may have⦠anyways. its just an idea! :D 2012-03-23 19:23:23+0000 <arbrandes> I don't see a lot of harm in asking a few more specifics in the application forms. 2012-03-23 19:23:38+0000 <antoviaque> oh, no harm 2012-03-23 19:23:39+0000 <arbrandes> Like the Joel Test 2012-03-23 19:23:43+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2012-03-23 19:24:20+0000 <antoviaque> it's just to go step by step - I'm talking about the first 2-3 times we ask a question, to be with the person to understand if we even asked the right question. if that makes sense? 2012-03-23 19:24:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and it will help to take care of them at the same time and have all the informations about their projects individually in forms 2012-03-23 19:24:29+0000 <antoviaque> +1 2012-03-23 19:24:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because at some point it can be confusing han? 2012-03-23 19:24:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> imagine if all the clients decides to work with us? :D 2012-03-23 19:24:58+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2012-03-23 19:25:12+0000 <arbrandes> makes sense, antoviaque - maybe after we get these first two chat logs we can reconvene and think about the forms? 2012-03-23 19:25:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes's brain is going to explode! ahhaahha :D information overloooaddeed 2012-03-23 19:25:38+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, hahahahha, yup, very likely if we start getting a lot of clients ;) 2012-03-23 19:25:43+0000 <antoviaque> sure thing! as long as there is practical experience to back it up, I'm all for automating everything we can 2012-03-23 19:26:30+0000 <arbrandes> not that it would be true automation - it's just typing asynchronously, as opposed to synchronously in the chat ;) 2012-03-23 19:26:43+0000 <arbrandes> But yes, I'm with you 2012-03-23 19:26:58+0000 <arbrandes> Asking the wrong questions would not be good either 2012-03-23 19:26:59+0000 <antoviaque> true yep 2012-03-23 19:28:36+0000 <antoviaque> I think the thing to keep in mind for those things, is what is our goal short-term 2012-03-23 19:29:08+0000 <antoviaque> ie for me it's to make sure we get a first set of clients and hackers happy to work together, and completing a set of projects 2012-03-23 19:29:59+0000 <antoviaque> even if it means to go overboard and spend a lot of time with them to learn & make it work -- the scaling aspect of things comes second 2012-03-23 19:31:04+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, agreed 2012-03-23 19:31:14+0000 <antoviaque> not saying that it's different from you - but just to explain why I react this way -- I think the human intervention here can help us to compensate for the stuff we don't know how to handle yet 2012-03-23 19:31:42+0000 <antoviaque> (like an agency, which can spend days talking with clients to figure out their minds) 2012-03-23 19:31:55+0000 <antoviaque> anyway - speaking too much :p 2012-03-23 19:32:07+0000 <arbrandes> good comparison, we *are* going to be an agency of sorts 2012-03-23 19:32:18+0000 <antoviaque> yep, it's good to see us like that for the beginning 2012-03-23 19:32:29+0000 <antoviaque> just an agency with a very small cut 2012-03-23 19:32:49+0000 <antoviaque> and once we know the recipe & have traction, we scale : ) 2012-03-23 19:43:37+0000 <arbrandes> roger, roger! just in case you'd like to drop in, antoviaque, I've labeled the meeting rooms at Campfire according to each meeting. 2012-03-23 19:43:57+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: cool, thanks! 2012-03-23 19:44:53+0000 <antoviaque> thanks - I'm in! 2012-03-23 19:55:54+0000 <antoviaque> good luck btw arbrandes 2012-03-23 19:55:56+0000 <antoviaque> I'm sure you'll do very well! 2012-03-23 19:56:16+0000 <arbrandes> thanks, dude! ;) 2012-03-23 20:48:35+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: very well handled : ) 2012-03-23 20:48:51+0000 <antoviaque> I kept alt-tabbing all the time, very nice chat! 2012-03-23 20:49:10+0000 <arbrandes> Phew, thanks antoviaque! :)) 2012-03-23 20:49:15+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2012-03-23 20:49:22+0000 <arbrandes> Now, quickly before the next one, what would you have done differently? 2012-03-23 20:49:27+0000 <arbrandes> Be blunt :) 2012-03-23 20:49:32+0000 <antoviaque> hmmm 2012-03-23 20:49:35+0000 <antoviaque> not much 2012-03-23 20:49:56+0000 <antoviaque> at some point I feared that the delay/price warning would scare him, but to the contrary 2012-03-23 20:50:06+0000 <antoviaque> so not really anything to resay right now : ) 2012-03-23 20:50:17+0000 <antoviaque> you're doing it very well - better than I would have 2012-03-23 20:50:36+0000 <antoviaque> I'll re-read on a calm head tonight to see if I can find some nitpicking, but sounds all good 2012-03-23 20:51:13+0000 <arbrandes> Not sure if it's better than what you would have done, but at least he sounded somewhat pleased, hehehe... Yup, I'll want to re-read it later, too. Probably many times, hehehe... 2012-03-23 20:53:35+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2012-03-23 20:53:45+0000 <antoviaque> yes, and not unreasonable 2012-03-23 20:54:01+0000 <antoviaque> need to see how it goes afterwards, but this first chat is encouraging 2012-03-23 20:54:32+0000 <arbrandes> The 'not needing a designer' part was a bit scary, though ;) 2012-03-23 20:54:46+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha, yep 2012-03-23 20:54:52+0000 <arbrandes> Maybe it should be part of our screening process for clients, in the future 2012-03-23 20:54:58+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz will definitely agree ^ 2012-03-23 20:55:01+0000 <arbrandes> ;) 2012-03-23 20:55:17+0000 <antoviaque> could be yep - it's true that we don't address that 2012-03-23 20:55:38+0000 <antoviaque> in the future we'll handle it by having tartaruga finding the perfect designer for the client :p 2012-03-23 20:55:53+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yes, that's what I thought, immediately :) 2012-03-23 20:56:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahaahah well, not every project needs desperately a designer so... 2012-03-23 20:56:21+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2012-03-23 20:56:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I understand that this kind of projects don't value design that much 2012-03-23 20:57:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm going to read the conversation later on, arbrandes! :D 2012-03-23 20:57:31+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, cool, feel free to hammer me on the head with criticism! 2012-03-23 20:57:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :P 2012-03-23 20:58:05+0000 <arbrandes> heheheheh 2012-03-23 22:01:00+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 22:21:14+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-23 22:22:24+0000 <arbrandes> bbl 2012-03-23 23:45:22+0000 xrogaan_ (xrogaan_) is now online 2012-03-23 23:45:23+0000 xrogaan_ (xrogaan_) is now online
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