----- Original Message -----
From: "wikla" <[1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
To: "A. J. Ness" <[2]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
Cc: "Charles Browne" <[3]char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk>; "Baroque
Lute List" <[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:39 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
> Thanks Arthur!
>
> Yep, as I wrote I do have the "Lei" facsimile by Tree of the
"II.6.24".
> What I lack is the facsimile of the "II.6.14". And yep, the CNRS
Gallot
> edition really names all the mss.
>
> Even I did find those names/codes invented by the "elaborate critical
> apparatus that calls for much use of abbreviations"... Not too much
help of
> that, though... ;)
<<AJN>>Well it saves space, and she found so many sources it surely
reduced the cost to you.
> At least for the moment the CNRS edition of that "14" will be enough
to me.
> At least as a reference and comparison to the other versions.
>
> On the other hand - in many cases the (as such great) CNRS editions
are
> lacking some important markings here and there compared to the
facsimilies
> I have.
<<AJN>> I didn't know that.
> For example in Barbe, Saizenay's, etc.: here and there there are
> touches - dots, dashes, lines, etc. which are easy to a free hand,
writer
> but hard to a modern publisher/printer....
<<AJN>> Well, that's still not right and an attempt should be made to
reproduce them.
> But today Peter Steur's work and pages are very important to actual
players
> and researchers of baroque lute - there are some mistakes in the keys
etc
> here and there - as there are errors in any study - but I would like
to
> suggest us to give a heavy support to Peter's valuable work!
>
> I really do not know, what is Peter's relation to the "official
> musicology", but I strongly suggest most close co-operation!
<<AJN>> I don't know Peter Steur or his background. But I surely
admire the work he has posted to the internet. It seems to be very
valuable and well done.
> Best,
<<AJN>> Likewise, Arto. Regards Art.
> Arto
>
>
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 10:14:42 -0500, "A. J. Ness"
<[5]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Hello Arto,
>>
>> Critical editions of lute music, such as those published by CNRS in
the
>> Corpus des Luthistes Franc,ais, often have an elaborate critical
> apparatus
>> that calls for much use of abbreviations, which are always resolved
>> somewhere in the book. The abbreviations about which you inquire
start
> on
>> page
>> XXV of the Gallot edition. The ones you mention refer to a pair of
>> manuscripts in the
>> Musik Bibliothek der Stadt Leipzig ("Lei."): Ms. II. 6. 14 and Ms.
II.
> 6.
>> 24.
>>
>> By the way, did you notice that the Lachrimae motive is sounded in
tghe
>> lower line at the
>> beginnig of Gallot's "L'Amat malheureux" (No. 98)? Weiss also made
an
>> arrangement of that piece.
>>
>> Several volumes of RISM are described briefly on the "Finding Tools"
list
>> on
>> Wayne's Lute Page:
>>
>> [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html
>>
>> RISM BVII mentioned in SMT refers to Wolfgang Boetticher's inventory
of
>> manuscript lute and guitar tablatures, listed there also with some
>> warnings.
>> His entries are often faulty and sometimes contain very little
useful
>> information (e.g., extensive lists of pages and folios that are
blank in
>> the
>> manuscript; few composers given, unless mentioned on the titlepage).
>> Sometimes manuscrpts are moved, and Boetticher doesn't realize what
>> happened and the descriptions are different for the same manuscript.
>>
>> Here is a good overall summary of the types of music and music
literature
>> inventoried in RISM. It's amazing what it covers! For example,
>> manuscripts
>> of Persian music, or Ancient Greek Music Theory Writings (by . . .
Tom
>> Mathiesen--'member him?<g>). As well as the usual stuff, of course.
>>
>> [7]http://hcl.harvard.edu/libraries/loebmusic/isham/rism.cfm#rism
>>
>> Arthur.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <[8]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
>> To: "wikla" <[9]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
>> Cc: "Charles Browne" <[10]char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk>;
>> <[11]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:42 AM
>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear baroque lutenists,
>>>
>>> I erred: I have the Lei.II.6.24 by Tree Edition - fantastic
collection -
>>> but not the Lei.II.6.14. In the cataloque of Tree there is also
>>> Lei.III.11.26, but I cannot find the Lei.II.6.14 there?
>>>
>>> What and where could it be? Could CNRS perhaps call some part of
the
> "24"
>>> by "14"?
>>>
>>> Arto
>>>
>>> On 04/03/11 00:00, wikla wrote:
>>>> Well, thanks Charles,
>>>>
>>>> this is just what I meant! I do _have_ this Tree Edition
facsimile!!
>>>>
>>>> Just the number of names and codes are confusing!
>>>>
>>>> Now I know where to find the versions to compare with the ms.
"Barbe",
>>>> which is also called by name "Res. Vmb. ms. 7"... Somebody should
>>>> collect
>>>> and map all the names of this ocean of names of these wonderful
>>>> manuscripts!
>>>>
>>>> Arto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:50:40 +0100 (CET), Charles Browne
>>>> <[12]char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Arto,
>>>>> there is a Tree Edition facsimile of this MS - Leipzig II.6.14
>>>>> printed in 1999
>>>>> Charles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ========================================
>>>>> Message Received: Mar 03 2011, 09:43 PM
>>>>> From: "wikla"
>>>>> To: [13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear b-lutenists,
>>>>>
>>>>> in the CNRS Gallot book there is reference to ms. "Lei. II 6 14".
Is
>>>> there
>>>>> any other name or link to that ms.? Or perhaps even a Peter Steur
code
>>>> and
>>>>> link?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks in advance...
>>>>>
>>>>> Arto
>>>>>
>>>>> PS I have an idea that Gallot is an interesting composer... ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> PS2 These multiple names and codes of mss. can be confusing...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>>>> [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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