Thank you Martyn and Andreas However this leaves me even more puzzled. If v Radolt's reicht grosse ordinari lautten is a pretty standard German lute of around 72cm and its chanterelle is tuned at c1 at A467 it would be working well below its working tension (breaking tension minus 2 or 3 semitones). Might the mittere lautten be the the 'standard' lute and the grosse ordinari lautten be ordinari because it's an 11c lute and not a theorbo (another sort of grosse lautten) and grosse because it's above 'standard' size (like some of the Edlinger lutes)? This of course questions what chor, cornet and kammer - ton were in 1701 in Vienna - unless the strings played at a very high pitch, but that would probably cause problems in terms of the working tension of the violins. What solution does Hubert Hoffmann offer? My original question was to help me decide on a pitch for my small Frei but I think this may be muddying the waters. Please feel free to ignore this line of puzzling if you find it irritating. Best wishes Chris __________________________________________________________________
From: Martyn Hodgson [hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 23 September 2011 08:48 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Christopher Pearcy Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] v Radolt's lutes again See the paper by Bill Samson and myself (FoMRHI Comm 737 - available from the FoMRHI archives) about Von Radolt's instructions. Regarding the sizes of the lutes, the instructions suggest various sizes of 11 course lutes lute ranging from approx 54cm string length (Radolt's very small lute) through a middle sized lute around 61 cm to his proper common lute at 72cm. The likely pitch (discussed in the paper) is determind by the instrument's string length and tensile strength of gut. MH --- On Fri, 23/9/11, Christopher Pearcy <c.pear...@uni.brighton.ac.uk> wrote: From: Christopher Pearcy <c.pear...@uni.brighton.ac.uk> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] v Radolt's lutes again To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Friday, 23 September, 2011, 8:29 Dear all If anyone has a copy of the v. Radolt lute concerti, could you tell me what are the (nominal) pitches of his 3 lutes in relation to the string parts. I'm looking at alternative pitching for my small Frei - and this may give me additional data to add to breaking index and pitch standards. Thanks in anticipation. Chris -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html