"Roland Winkler" <wink...@gnu.org> writes:

> -- Recently, we have discussed on this list the possibility to
> import / export BBDB records via vcards. I think this is a great
> idea for BBDB. Yet it is not yet clear to me how this could be set
> up in the best way. (Thanks to everybody who commented on this issue
> on this list, which helped me to get an idea of what different
> people have in mind here. If there were not different opinions on
> such an issue, it would not be emacs we are talking about!)
>
> Yet I am convinced that adding such a feature to BBDB should be
> possible without the need to modify other code in BBDB (unlike
> various changes I found were necessary to bring BBDB up to date).
> In that sense I would like to put such a project on hold on my
> personal agenda and give a proper release of the new BBDB the higher
> priority. -- But let us know on this list if you start looking into
> a solution for this!

Thanks for all your work on this, it's great that someone is really
working on BBDB again.  I really like the idea of entering anniversaries
into bbdb and having them automatically picked up by diary.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty dependent on being able to export my bbdb
records out to vcard, just because that's the only way I have of getting
this information into other places where I need it.  I don't do this
often, but I wouldn't want to get into a situation where I couldn't do
it at all.  FWIW, I'm currently using bbdb-vcard-export.el for this
purpose:

;;; bbdb-vcard-export.el -- export BBDB as vCard files
;; 
;; Copyright (c) 2002 Jim Hourihan
;; Copyright (c) 2005 Alex Schroeder

In spite of my need for this functionality, I'm not sure how wise it
would be to devote a great deal of effort to direct conversion of the
new bbdb record format to vcard.  It sounds like Ted Zlatanov has
thought about these issues pretty carefully, and his idea of
synchronizing against server with a neutral data format would negate the
need for any direct bbdb to vcard or other formats.

Ted mentioned that he would welcome help with this work.  Ted, if you're
reading this, I'm afraid that I have neither the time nor the expertise
to do much more than cheer loudly from the sidelines (if I had more
time, I would try to develop the expertise).  However, if you need
someone to help with testing I can probably manage that.

It would be great to get the diary/calendar in there too.  (Hey, I can
dream, right?)  I'm currently using icalendar.el to export, but
importing is just too tricky.  Export pretty much covers me anyway, but
it's a nuisance because the process isn't fully automatic. (Someone at
google developed something to "synch" with google calendar, and I tried
it out, but it took my carefully edited emacs diary and make a giant
mess of it.  I never could figure out a way to avoid this, so I don't
use it.  And yes, I did make a backup first.)

These days I mainly export my bbdb and diary information to my google
account, and from there it's not too hard to synch the information on my
google account with my current cell phone (presumably this would be
fairly automatic for someone with an android phone, but I woulnd't know
about that).  But anything new that independently gets into the phone
and/or google, I have to remember to type by hand into bbdb and diary.

I wonder how org-mode fits into this conversation.

Sorry for rambling.

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