Lloyd: I agree! The more I see of the carbon credits BS, the more convinced I am it is another money making scam by the stockmarket smarties, aided by politicians squirming to get out of making decisions that will hurt their big money backers. David C
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] No-Till Farming > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:00 AM > Subject: Re: [globalnews] Farmers Fight Global Warming with No-Till Farming > > Thanks to Rex for an excellent posting - true - no till is one more sneaky > trick to get more farmers more hooked on chemicals than what they already > are, that said its probably the best way to farm a large portion of our > agricultural lands,IF YOU WANT TO BE A REALLY SWITCHED ON CHEMICAL FARMER. > What I would like to add is this truly spectacular bit of stupidity called > 'carbon credits' > > "The concept becomes especially abstract when you consider a global market > in which a U.S. corporation could continue its polluting because it is > buying credits from a no-till farmer (or other emissions reducer) in China > or Russia." > > Just imagine - a farmer cranks up his chemical usage by 50% to embrace no > till, USDA issues him with a carbon credit certificate,probably without > actually measuring the soil carbon level, next step - the chemical > corporation buys his carbon credit so that they can be allowed to > continue/increase polluting the atmosphere - - dont forget its not only CO2 > that comes out of their chimney stack - the gas emissions will always be > allowed to carry a percentage of nasties as well (dioxins, heavy metal > vapours,assorted other noxious crap,) > And in the middle of it all will be some trader company ripping off millions > that probably originated as taxpayer subsidies to fun the scheme > Lloyd Charles > > > > > 10/6/2002 10:08:55 AM, "RiverValley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote in response to a "No-Till" article posted by Jane: > > > > >I'm wondering if members of the list > > >have experience using no-till in a > > >small farm, market garden setting, > > >particularly in mild climates like the > > >pacific northwest US. What problems, > > >successes have people had? What types > > >of tillage and tillage tools do people > > >use and prefer? > > > > Daniel, modern no-till involves first killing off the > > vegetation with chemicals and then planting through the > > stubble. For further proof of its insidious nature, I suggest > > you go down in the original article a few paragraphs until you > > find this sentence: > > > > "There are economic and environmental drawbacks to no-till, > > including the fact that more pesticide is usually needed to > > fight the organisms that find homes in the residue." > > > > The no-till scheme Jane posted is a chemical Trojan horse and I > > suggest you stay away from it. I suspect she was just trying > > to warn us of the danger. No-till pushers are in the category > > of those who coin "war is peace" and "slavery is freedom" > > doublespeak phrases. > > > > The half-inch of woody waste that no-till chemical shills brag > > about amounts to dip-squat when measured against the 5%-10% > > soil organic matter that good farming practice can achieve with > > consistent cover crop plowdown and proper soil > > remineralization. > > > > Having said all that, I'll add that there is one Pennsylvania > > farmer who has perfected a no-till system involving a huge > > flattening roller that he crushes his cover crops with. He > > then plants through the residue. As far as I know, he uses no > > toxic chemicals. I believe Rodale made a video of his tomato > > operations. > > > > Regards, > > Rex Harrill > > > > > > > >
