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Re: A Week in and Clueless (Mateusz Kowalczyk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:37:43 -0500 From: Brandon Allbery <allber...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Cabal problems To: Sergey Bushnyak <sergey.bushn...@sigrlami.eu> Cc: beginners@haskell.org Message-ID: <cakfcl4vu7xscmyy49lya+odkqh_ea-bhmssft4ydgwgezst...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Sergey Bushnyak < sergey.bushn...@sigrlami.eu> wrote: > Isn't it better to send patch with corrections to maintainer? > It is, but if the packages haven't been updated for new-style exceptions by now, they're probably effectively unmaintained. Do you want to take over maintainership? -- brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine associates allber...@gmail.com ballb...@sinenomine.net unix, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure, xmonad http://sinenomine.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/attachments/20130110/28ce1c51/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:40:22 +0200 From: Sergey Bushnyak <sergey.bushn...@sigrlami.eu> Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Cabal problems To: Brandon Allbery <allber...@gmail.com> Cc: beginners@haskell.org Message-ID: <50ef3546.3050...@sigrlami.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" On 01/10/2013 04:37 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Sergey Bushnyak > <sergey.bushn...@sigrlami.eu <mailto:sergey.bushn...@sigrlami.eu>> wrote: > > Isn't it better to send patch with corrections to maintainer? > > > It is, but if the packages haven't been updated for new-style > exceptions by now, they're probably effectively unmaintained. Do you > want to take over maintainership? > > -- > brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine associates > allber...@gmail.com <mailto:allber...@gmail.com> > ballb...@sinenomine.net <mailto:ballb...@sinenomine.net> > unix, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure, xmonad http://sinenomine.net I don't want to take over maintainership, area of my interest is slightly different and not covering games at all. Recently, I stumbled at this kind of problem by myself. I wrote to maintainer, submit patch and it's work now for new ghc. The thing we should talk here, that cabal shouldn't even show package in install list, that don't builds on users current compiler. This information can be seen at hackage, but there still a lot of work is going on new hackage, which would be more accurate continuous integration portal. In this situation I always get sources and correct by myself. Maintainership policy is very controversial subject and discussed regularly in community. -- Best regards, Sergey Bushnyak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/attachments/20130110/ae68b9aa/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:44:02 -0500 From: Philip Cote <cote...@gmail.com> Subject: [Haskell-beginners] A Week in and Clueless To: beginners@haskell.org Message-ID: <caokmgisnu71jv+zzjcs5peoswjxdelyr9_zcb9denad6no7...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" So a week into Haskell, I still seem to be not ?getting? it which is kind of weird in my case. I came in with knowledge of a lot of functional ideas from using them in Javascript and Python. Or at least I thought I knew them. 5 chapters into "Learn You a Haskell", I admit it's not really sinking in for me even after typing in and running all the examples. I acknowledge that I don't know jack. Any ideas or exercises that might help me along? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/attachments/20130110/668a7d0e/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:18:46 -0800 From: Alexander O'Neill <alone...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] A Week in and Clueless To: Philip Cote <cote...@gmail.com>, beginners@haskell.org Message-ID: <18fc50c7-413e-41cb-89f1-69834e957...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Starting Project Euler in Haskell gave me those "hey, I remember a code example that would help me here" moments, which lead me to looking up half-remembered things like mapping over lists and really seeing the beauty of guards and types in function signatures. Back in university I know the exercises were where my real learning took place, not in reading the textbook or listening to the lectures. And it's the same with Haskell. Good luck, - alexander On 2013-01-10, at 6:44 PM, Philip Cote <cote...@gmail.com> wrote: > So a week into Haskell, I still seem to be not ?getting? it which is kind of > weird in my case. I came in with knowledge of a lot of functional ideas from > using them in Javascript and Python. Or at least I thought I knew them. > > 5 chapters into "Learn You a Haskell", I admit it's not really sinking in for > me even after typing in and running all the examples. I acknowledge that I > don't know jack. Any ideas or exercises that might help me along? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/attachments/20130110/1a420aaa/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:51:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Sulzberger <j...@panix.com> Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] A Week in and Clueless To: beginners@haskell.org Message-ID: <pine.neb.4.64.1301102348200.22...@panix3.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Philip Cote <cote...@gmail.com> wrote: > So a week into Haskell, I still seem to be not "getting" it which is kind > of weird in my case. I came in with knowledge of a lot of functional ideas > from using them in Javascript and Python. Or at least I thought I knew > them. > > > 5 chapters into "Learn You a Haskell", I admit it's not really sinking in > for me even after typing in and running all the examples. I acknowledge > that I don't know jack. Any ideas or exercises that might help me along? What are the difficulties? I am a week into writing a tiny thing, and I hope to, once I get something done, post about the BIZARRE WORLDS OF HASKELL. oo--JS. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:47:07 +0000 From: Mateusz Kowalczyk <fuuze...@fuuzetsu.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] A Week in and Clueless To: beginners@haskell.org Message-ID: <50ef994b.3020...@fuuzetsu.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" You should probably start by forgetting everything you know from JS and Python. Of course I don't mean -everything-, but if you ever end up thinking `I did it this way in JavaScript so I'll just do the same here', you're probably not on the right track. As others suggested, doing some exercises is a good way to get started. I'd like to add to this by saying that the exercises probably shouldn't be too much out of scope until you at least finish reading LYAH. It's quite common to see someone on this mailing list jumping in too fast which results in very poor Haskell that is just pretty much a direct translation from a different (often imperative) language. I do suggest a small project once you finish reading though. It's far easier to grasp the language if you have to look things up. More often than not, to use someone's library will require the understanding of the concept that it's built upon which means that you end up learning more which is the goal here. Good luck. On 11/01/13 02:44, Philip Cote wrote: > > So a week into Haskell, I still seem to be not "getting" it which is > kind of weird in my case. I came in with knowledge of a lot of > functional ideas from using them in Javascript and Python. Or at > least I thought I knew them. > > > 5 chapters into "Learn You a Haskell", I admit it's not really sinking > in for me even after typing in and running all the examples. I > acknowledge that I don't know jack. 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