Send Beginners mailing list submissions to
[email protected]
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
[email protected]
You can reach the person managing the list at
[email protected]
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Beginners digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: trying to install libraries for Haskell School of
Expression (emacstheviking)
2. Re: trying to install libraries for Haskell School of
Expression (emacstheviking)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:04:34 +0000
From: emacstheviking <[email protected]>
To: The Haskell-Beginners Mailing List - Discussion of primarily
beginner-level topics related to Haskell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] trying to install libraries for
Haskell School of Expression
Message-ID:
<caeieuu+__riopuwpibxnj564a2m6iemtjop3gc-+rnwlxgu...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Plunk! (penny drops)
I get it...now that is truly the icing on the cabal-hell free cake!
Thanks again Julian.
On 2 March 2015 at 12:48, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you go to www.stackage.com/lts/1.10, you'll find a hoogle search box.
> It'll give you search results for everything in LTS 1.10.
>
>
> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What does that do for me within LTS confines? I know Hoogle, but I don't
>> understand what you mean by "they run a hoogle for the exact version,
>> with every library." ...I just want to understand so I can be as excited as
>> everybody else right now! LOL :)
>>
>>
>> On 2 March 2015 at 12:34, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It gets better: they run a hoogle for the exact version, with every
>>> library. :)
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Took a while to sink in....DEF trying this out tonight
>>>> Looks AWESOME if it does what it says!
>>>> Getting excited about Haskell again.
>>>> THANKS!!!! Yoohoo :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 March 2015 at 12:10, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a small note: if you're suffering from cabal hell, LTS Haskell
>>>>> may help you. I described how to use it here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.colourcoding.net/blog/archive/2015/02/22/hello-world-web-application-in-haskell.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope someone finds it useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. I will "finish" with a mild semi-demi-rant too regarding the
>>>>>> assumption by a lot of posters that we are all academics with access to
>>>>>> papers on this and that. I am not and I don't. If you cite a paper, make
>>>>>> sure it's available to Joe Public please!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for only sticking to plain vanialla simple Haskell, yes, that
>>>>>> works BUT there are some many great libraries that a real time
>>>>>> savers...it's such a shame when they won't play well together!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, despite it all, tonight I will be hacking Haskell !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 March 2015 at 19:27, DJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah. I think there are a lot of us out there. I won't rant (much)
>>>>>>> here, because I hope to get some help from time to time. Alienating
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> is not a good way to get help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many things I like about the language, but I have always
>>>>>>> been perplexed by the haskell ecosystem in a couple of ways. However
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> and/or interesting a language might be, it is not possible to do meat
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> potatoes development unless there is a good supply of
>>>>>>> packages/libraries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first problem was that I often just could not get stuff to
>>>>>>> install. The second problem was documentation. I hope it has improved a
>>>>>>> bit. I was always flabbergasted at the (apparent) belief that a few
>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>> of API documentation coughed out by haddock are enough. But that's all
>>>>>>> there was in a lot of cases. That, and "refer to xxxx research paper"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> "figure it out from the types". Hah. Any math paper that consisted of
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> the equations sorted in alphabetical order would not be well received, I
>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really admired that fact that Michael Snoyman wrote a book about
>>>>>>> Yesod. For all I know he may not have kept the book up, but at least he
>>>>>>> realized that people needed an explanation of how to use his software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, back to work. I am going to give haskell another try for sure.
>>>>>>> It's just too tempting to give up on. If it doesn't work, the next stop
>>>>>>> will be sml or ocaml.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - DJ -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15-03-01 09:56 AM, emacstheviking wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel your pain...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Confession: I abandoned Haskell two years ago because of
>>>>>>>> frustration with cabal and hackage. I decided to get back to the
>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>> today, and to start with Haskell School of Expression. I immediately
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> into the problem that the first thing I try to install with cabal does
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is the same reason I have stopped using it. It's a real shame.
>>>>>>> Those with better education and understanding than mine should be
>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>> that the uptake of the language is stunted by its package manager.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love Haskell. I have taught myself (the beginnings at least) of
>>>>>>> group theory just to better comprehend the mindset of monads. For that
>>>>>>> alone I am glad I learned Haskell as it has rekindled my interest in
>>>>>>> maths!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help. Please tell me things are not just as bad now
>>>>>>>> as they were when I left ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This mail seems to indicate to me that "cabal hell" is here for
>>>>>>> some time to come...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Beginners mailing
>>>>>>> [email protected]http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Beginners mailing list
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from an iPhone, please excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Beginners mailing list
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from an iPhone, please excuse brevity and typos.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Beginners mailing list
>>> [email protected]
>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Sent from an iPhone, please excuse brevity and typos.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Beginners mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/attachments/20150302/cfa83694/attachment-0001.html>
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:06:22 +0000
From: emacstheviking <[email protected]>
To: The Haskell-Beginners Mailing List - Discussion of primarily
beginner-level topics related to Haskell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] trying to install libraries for
Haskell School of Expression
Message-ID:
<CAEiEuULYj=vpkd3r+dyurm+5kdepjd8wmovbd8d+nnhrgkr...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
PS: Did you mean stackage .ORG not .COM
On 2 March 2015 at 13:04, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
> Plunk! (penny drops)
> I get it...now that is truly the icing on the cabal-hell free cake!
> Thanks again Julian.
>
>
> On 2 March 2015 at 12:48, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you go to www.stackage.com/lts/1.10, you'll find a hoogle search box.
>> It'll give you search results for everything in LTS 1.10.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> What does that do for me within LTS confines? I know Hoogle, but I don't
>>> understand what you mean by "they run a hoogle for the exact version,
>>> with every library." ...I just want to understand so I can be as excited as
>>> everybody else right now! LOL :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 March 2015 at 12:34, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It gets better: they run a hoogle for the exact version, with every
>>>> library. :)
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Took a while to sink in....DEF trying this out tonight
>>>>> Looks AWESOME if it does what it says!
>>>>> Getting excited about Haskell again.
>>>>> THANKS!!!! Yoohoo :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 March 2015 at 12:10, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a small note: if you're suffering from cabal hell, LTS Haskell
>>>>>> may help you. I described how to use it here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.colourcoding.net/blog/archive/2015/02/22/hello-world-web-application-in-haskell.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope someone finds it useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. I will "finish" with a mild semi-demi-rant too regarding the
>>>>>>> assumption by a lot of posters that we are all academics with access to
>>>>>>> papers on this and that. I am not and I don't. If you cite a paper, make
>>>>>>> sure it's available to Joe Public please!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for only sticking to plain vanialla simple Haskell, yes, that
>>>>>>> works BUT there are some many great libraries that a real time
>>>>>>> savers...it's such a shame when they won't play well together!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, despite it all, tonight I will be hacking Haskell !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 March 2015 at 19:27, DJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah. I think there are a lot of us out there. I won't rant (much)
>>>>>>>> here, because I hope to get some help from time to time. Alienating
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> is not a good way to get help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many things I like about the language, but I have always
>>>>>>>> been perplexed by the haskell ecosystem in a couple of ways. However
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> and/or interesting a language might be, it is not possible to do meat
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> potatoes development unless there is a good supply of
>>>>>>>> packages/libraries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My first problem was that I often just could not get stuff to
>>>>>>>> install. The second problem was documentation. I hope it has improved a
>>>>>>>> bit. I was always flabbergasted at the (apparent) belief that a few
>>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>>> of API documentation coughed out by haddock are enough. But that's all
>>>>>>>> there was in a lot of cases. That, and "refer to xxxx research paper"
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> "figure it out from the types". Hah. Any math paper that consisted of
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> the equations sorted in alphabetical order would not be well received,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really admired that fact that Michael Snoyman wrote a book about
>>>>>>>> Yesod. For all I know he may not have kept the book up, but at least he
>>>>>>>> realized that people needed an explanation of how to use his software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, back to work. I am going to give haskell another try for
>>>>>>>> sure. It's just too tempting to give up on. If it doesn't work, the
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> stop will be sml or ocaml.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - DJ -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15-03-01 09:56 AM, emacstheviking wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel your pain...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Confession: I abandoned Haskell two years ago because of
>>>>>>>>> frustration with cabal and hackage. I decided to get back to the
>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>> today, and to start with Haskell School of Expression. I immediately
>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> into the problem that the first thing I try to install with cabal
>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the same reason I have stopped using it. It's a real
>>>>>>>> shame. Those with better education and understanding than mine should
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> concerned that the uptake of the language is stunted by its package
>>>>>>>> manager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I love Haskell. I have taught myself (the beginnings at least) of
>>>>>>>> group theory just to better comprehend the mindset of monads. For that
>>>>>>>> alone I am glad I learned Haskell as it has rekindled my interest in
>>>>>>>> maths!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help. Please tell me things are not just as bad now
>>>>>>>>> as they were when I left ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This mail seems to indicate to me that "cabal hell" is here for
>>>>>>>> some time to come...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Beginners mailing
>>>>>>>> [email protected]http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Beginners mailing list
>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from an iPhone, please excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Beginners mailing list
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from an iPhone, please excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Beginners mailing list
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from an iPhone, please excuse brevity and typos.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [email protected]
>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/attachments/20150302/24909d0c/attachment.html>
------------------------------
Subject: Digest Footer
_______________________________________________
Beginners mailing list
[email protected]
http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
------------------------------
End of Beginners Digest, Vol 81, Issue 8
****************************************
