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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Can't install Haskell platform on Mac OS X El Capitan
(Richard Guay)
2. Re: Can't install Haskell platform on Mac OS X El Capitan
(Yury Pachin)
3. Re: Can't install Haskell platform on Mac OS X El Capitan
(Brandon Allbery)
4. Re: Can't install Haskell platform on Mac OS X El Capitan
(Michael Snoyman)
5. Re: Can't install Haskell platform on Mac OS X El Capitan
(Imants Cekusins)
6. Re: Can't install Haskell platform on Mac OS X El Capitan
(Harald Hanche-Olsen)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:51:55 +0700
From: Richard Guay <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Can't install Haskell platform on Mac
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Not sure why, but some programs can not create links or files in
/usr/local. I have ran into this with Hammerspoon and the Haskell
installer. I agree the Haskell for Mac OS X is a better way to run,
but I keep having cabal conflicts with other libraries. I was
answering for the specific problem, not an alternate solution.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Harald Hanche-Olsen
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Richard Guay wrote:
>>
>> The installer can't create the links to your /usr/local/bin folder
>> anymore under El Capitan.
>
>
> How come? The /usr/local hierarchy is expressly excempt from the
> restrictions that apply to the rest of the /usr hierarchy.
>
> I have all kinds of stuff in /usr/local myself, no trouble at all.
>
> But Haskell platform used to install binaries in /usr/bin, which is
> definitely a no-no on El Capitan. I think a workaround was posted to this
> mailing list, or was it on cafe?
>
> Personally, I have abandoned Haskell platform in favour of the installation
> instructions here:
>
> https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell/blob/master/install.md
>
> So I couldn't comment on the viability of the workaround that I saw.
>
> ? Harald
>
> PS. I don't know what happens if /usr/local did not exist when you installed
> El Capitan. Is it then necessary to turn off SIP in order to create this
> directory, due to the restrictions on /usr?
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:08:30 +0300
From: Yury Pachin <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Can't install Haskell platform on Mac
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Haskell platform - bad idea. Use brew or stack
https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2015/08/new-in-depth-guide-stack.
On 12 October 2015 at 10:51, Richard Guay <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not sure why, but some programs can not create links or files in
> /usr/local. I have ran into this with Hammerspoon and the Haskell
> installer. I agree the Haskell for Mac OS X is a better way to run,
> but I keep having cabal conflicts with other libraries. I was
> answering for the specific problem, not an alternate solution.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Harald Hanche-Olsen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Richard Guay wrote:
> >>
> >> The installer can't create the links to your /usr/local/bin folder
> >> anymore under El Capitan.
> >
> >
> > How come? The /usr/local hierarchy is expressly excempt from the
> > restrictions that apply to the rest of the /usr hierarchy.
> >
> > I have all kinds of stuff in /usr/local myself, no trouble at all.
> >
> > But Haskell platform used to install binaries in /usr/bin, which is
> > definitely a no-no on El Capitan. I think a workaround was posted to this
> > mailing list, or was it on cafe?
> >
> > Personally, I have abandoned Haskell platform in favour of the
> installation
> > instructions here:
> >
> > https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell/blob/master/install.md
> >
> > So I couldn't comment on the viability of the workaround that I saw.
> >
> > ? Harald
> >
> > PS. I don't know what happens if /usr/local did not exist when you
> installed
> > El Capitan. Is it then necessary to turn off SIP in order to create this
> > directory, due to the restrictions on /usr?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 06:57:08 -0400
From: Brandon Allbery <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Can't install Haskell platform on Mac
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Yury Pachin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Haskell platform - bad idea.
Someone will have to explain to me why when the whole Haskell community
considers cabal-install and the Platform --- supposedly *from* the
community --- to be the works of the devil, you all haven't set out to rid
the world of the evil incarnate that created them.
We will as always ignore or explain away little inconveniences, in favor of
our preferred utter hatred.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:01:40 +0300
From: Michael Snoyman <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Can't install Haskell platform on Mac
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Brandon Allbery <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Yury Pachin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Haskell platform - bad idea.
>
>
> Someone will have to explain to me why when the whole Haskell community
> considers cabal-install and the Platform --- supposedly *from* the
> community --- to be the works of the devil, you all haven't set out to rid
> the world of the evil incarnate that created them.
>
> We will as always ignore or explain away little inconveniences, in favor
> of our preferred utter hatred.
>
>
>
Actually, there _has_ been a lot of effort to both fix the Haskell Platform
and - in the interim - get it off of the main download page. For example:
https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-community/2015-September/000014.html
There was also a poll taken in response to a related thread on the
community list:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1w2wKSxn5YN4LtSXYHvFT2IFw_BDaT_2cjUkP9pDeqLQ/viewanalytics
As you can see, the vast majority of the poll respondents wanted the HP to
be the least recommended option on the page, and a number of comments said
it should be done away with entirely.
Michael
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:10:24 +0200
From: Imants Cekusins <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Can't install Haskell platform on Mac
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> the whole Haskell community considers cabal-install and the Platform ...
is this a fact?
the whole community? such a bad reputation?
platform did not work for me but maybe it was because I tried it at
quite an early stage and made a few mistakes. Now I build ghc from
source so do not really need the platform.
The only thing in the installation process which I find cumbersome is
the chicken and egg situation: you need ghc to build ghc. If it were
possible to build bootstrap ghc entirely from source with minimum
deps, this would be good.
I used cabal & cabal-install without problems so far.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:21:00 +0200
From: Harald Hanche-Olsen <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Can't install Haskell platform on Mac
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Brandon Allbery wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Yury Pachin <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Haskell platform - bad idea.
>
>
> Someone will have to explain to me why when the whole Haskell community
> considers cabal-install and the Platform --- supposedly *from* the
> community --- to be the works of the devil, you all haven't set out to
> rid the world of the evil incarnate that created them.
Since it was my message that started that discussion on this thread, let
me hasten to assure you that I don't hate the Platform. I still think it
is good for users to know it's not the only game in town, however.
Yes, I have had some difficulties with it, and it got a bit worse with
El Capitan, but I really don't know to what extent that is just the
usual beginner's trouble. After I switched to Haskell for Mac [sic] OS
X, I have not had any trouble (*). But then I haven't used it as much as
I used the Platform before, so I really cannot say which, if any of
them, is superior.
(*) Well, almost none: cabal-install failed on hledger because it wants
pretty-show, and pretty-show wants happy, and somehow happy did not get
built. Just running cabal-install happy fixed the problem. I'd report
this as a bug if I knew where to report it. But I expect this sort of
problem is unrelated to the Platform versus alternatives debate.
? Harald
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