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Today's Topics:
1. Question about example in 'using do notation with Writer'
section of LYH (Olumide)
2. Re: Question about example in 'using do notation with
Writer' section of LYH (David McBride)
3. Re: Question about example in 'using do notation with
Writer' section of LYH (Imants Cekusins)
4. Re: Question about example in 'using do notation with
Writer' section of LYH (Olumide)
5. Re: Question about example in 'using do notation with
Writer' section of LYH (Olumide)
6. Semigroup Instances (Atrudyjane)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:41:35 +0000
From: Olumide <50...@web.de>
To: beginners@haskell.org
Subject: [Haskell-beginners] Question about example in 'using do
notation with Writer' section of LYH
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Hello List,
Chapter 14 of LYH (
http://learnyouahaskell.com/for-a-few-monads-more#reader ) has the
following bit of code:
import Control.Monad.Writer
logNumber :: Int -> Writer [String] Int
logNumber x = Writer (x, ["Got number: " ++ show x])
multWithLog :: Writer [String] Int
multWithLog = do
a <- logNumber 3
b <- logNumber 5
return (a*b)
I have a fair grasp of what's going bu the last line return(a*b) eludes
me. Specifically its the a*b part that baffles me. I think 3 is bound to
'a' and 5 to 'b', then return(a*b) would put the value 15 in a context
... So what becomes of the string parts of the Writer monads created by
logNumber 3 and logNumber 5 respectively.
Regards,
- Olumide
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:02:44 -0500
From: David McBride <toa...@gmail.com>
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beginner-level topics related to Haskell <beginners@haskell.org>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Question about example in 'using do
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Nothing happens to them. They are still in there. Whereas logNumber
always returns the number you give it, multiWithLog always returns 15
and appends two strings into its state ("got number 3 and 5").
You can return whatever value you want from a Monad. In this case
he's doing a * b, but you could do 2 * b, Just (a + b) or anything
else. As an example, here I return a tuple instead.
multWithLogTuple :: Writer [String] (Int,Int,Int)
multWithLogTuple = do
a <- logNumber 3
b <- logNumber 5
return (a,b,2*b)
>runWriter multWithLogTuple
((3,5,10),["Got number: 3","Got number: 5"])
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Olumide <50...@web.de> wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> Chapter 14 of LYH ( http://learnyouahaskell.com/for-a-few-monads-more#reader
> ) has the following bit of code:
>
>
> import Control.Monad.Writer
>
> logNumber :: Int -> Writer [String] Int
> logNumber x = Writer (x, ["Got number: " ++ show x])
>
> multWithLog :: Writer [String] Int
> multWithLog = do
> a <- logNumber 3
> b <- logNumber 5
> return (a*b)
>
> I have a fair grasp of what's going bu the last line return(a*b) eludes me.
> Specifically its the a*b part that baffles me. I think 3 is bound to 'a' and
> 5 to 'b', then return(a*b) would put the value 15 in a context ... So what
> becomes of the string parts of the Writer monads created by logNumber 3 and
> logNumber 5 respectively.
>
> Regards,
>
> - Olumide
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:10:55 +0100
From: Imants Cekusins <ima...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Question about example in 'using do
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> what becomes of the string parts of the Writer monads
multWithLog keeps [String] and outputs Int
to fully benefit from Writer [String] Int, you'd call e.g. runWriter
or execWriter
similar to other *State state out* monads,
*m state out* lets you get/set/keep state as needed without passing it as
an arg. *state* is there if you need it.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:00:08 +0000
From: Olumide <50...@web.de>
To: The Haskell-Beginners Mailing List - Discussion of primarily
beginner-level topics related to Haskell <beginners@haskell.org>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Question about example in 'using do
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On 26/01/2017 16:02, David McBride wrote:
> Nothing happens to them. They are still in there. Whereas logNumber
> always returns the number you give it, multiWithLog always returns 15
> and appends two strings into its state ("got number 3 and 5").
>
> You can return whatever value you want from a Monad. In this case
> he's doing a * b, but you could do 2 * b, Just (a + b) or anything
> else. As an example, here I return a tuple instead.
>
> multWithLogTuple :: Writer [String] (Int,Int,Int)
> multWithLogTuple = do
> a <- logNumber 3
> b <- logNumber 5
> return (a,b,2*b)
>
So return (a*b) still creates Writer [String] Int?
I thought the [String] parts of 'a' and 'b' ought to be in the result
but I see it needn't.
- Olumide
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:34:42 +0000
From: Olumide <50...@web.de>
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beginner-level topics related to Haskell <beginners@haskell.org>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Question about example in 'using do
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On 26/01/17 16:02, David McBride wrote:
>> runWriter multWithLogTuple
> ((3,5,10),["Got number: 3","Got number: 5"])
On second thoughts I don't think I understand how the logs are
concatenated. I was expecting (15,["Got number: 15") in the original
example.
- Olumide
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:55:12 -0500
From: Atrudyjane <atrudyj...@protonmail.com>
To: "beginners@haskell.org" <beginners@haskell.org>
Subject: [Haskell-beginners] Semigroup Instances
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I'm currently studying semigroups and trying to figure out how to determine
which type variables need a semigroup instance. Here are a couple of examples
from Evan Cameron's github
(https://github.com/leshow/haskell-programming-book/blob/master/src/Ch15ex.hs):
(1)
data Validation a b
= Failure a
| Success b
deriving (Eq, Show)
instance Semigroup a => Semigroup (Validation a b) where
Success a <> Success b = Success a
Failure a <> Success b = Success b
Success a <> Failure b = Success a
Failure a <> Failure b = Failure (a <> b)
* Why doesn't 'b' need an instance of semigroup?
(2)
newtype AccumulateRight a b = AccumulateRight (Validation a b) deriving (Eq,
Show)
instance Semigroup b => Semigroup (AccumulateRight a b) where
AccumulateRight (Success a) <>AccumulateRight (Failure b) =AccumulateRight
(Success a)
AccumulateRight (Failure a) <>AccumulateRight (Success b) =AccumulateRight
(Success b)
AccumulateRight (Failure a) <>AccumulateRight (Failure b) =AccumulateRight
(Failure a)
AccumulateRight (Success a) <> AccumulateRight (Success b) = AccumulateRight
(Success (a <> b))
* Why doesn't 'a' need an instance of semigroup?
Thank you,
Andrea
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