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>                           BERNER-L Digest 4121
> 
> Topics covered in this issue include:
> 
>   1) Re: Fw: Ongoing discussion
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   2) Re: Two young Berners needing homes (NOT)
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   3) Posters
>       by M Kingsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   4) Hips, Elbows, X-Rays, Breeders, Owners...
>       by catherine green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   5) Moses' osteosarcoma treatment begins
>       by "Lisa D Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   6) bleeding gums
>       by "Beverly Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   7) sleep walking?
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   8) RE: Rescue Berner -- foster home needed ASAP!
>       by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   9) Behavioural Issues - Advice needed
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  10) RE: Transfer Factor
>       by "tami winner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  11) Re: MINI-FUNDRAISER TO BENEFIT CANCER
> RESEARCH!!!
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  12) Re: MINI-FUNDRAISER TO BENEFIT CANCER
> RESEARCH!!!
>       by "Dr. William B. Neff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  13) Re: BERNER-L digest 4097
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  14) Re: ongoing discussion
>       by Sharon Montville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  15) Re: Trembling puppy......
>       by "Marion Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  16) Re: educated PPOs/Orthopedics
>       by Sharon Montville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  17) All Too Suddenly...
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  18) Advice to keep Zeus at rest??
>       by "A. Sufi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  19) ADMIN: List Problems from Yesterday
>       by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  20) Moses' osteosarcoma treatment begins
>       by "Lisa D Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  21) RE: Posters
>       by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  22) Re: Trembling puppy......
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  23) Re: bleeding gums
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  24) Fwd: failure delivery
>       by barb wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  25) Re: NJ boy
>       by barb wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  26) puppie pictues
>       by Jennifer Delannoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  27) Re: Re Contracts/Guarantee
>       by "Joanne Gerow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.1 message/rfc822 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:52:13 EST
> Subject: Re: Fw: Ongoing discussion
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Sent this this morning...haven't seen it show up. 
> Sorry if it ends up posted 
> twice.
> -SV
> 
> In a message dated 11/12/2002 5:51:12 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > Breeders don't PLAN on scamming their buyers, they
> don't PLAN on pups 
> > becoming ill or dysplasic, they don't PLAN
> >  on "taking the money and running" as some of
> these message seem to say.  
> 
> I'm afraid some are doing exactly that Sandy...
> Maybe not the ones you work with or chat with at
> shows...but there IS a whole 
> other world of people breeding or brokering Bernese
> who don't give a whit 
> about anything but profit.   They breed for maximum
> production period...and 
> they intentionally structure guarantees in such a
> way that they're unlikely 
> to be utilized.  Pay them some extra money and you
> get a lifetime 
> guarantee!...just like the 'extra protection plan'
> when you buy a new fridge.
> 
> Perhaps you haven't experienced these breeders, but
> there are many people on 
> this list who have... either by purchasing one of
> their puppies or by 
> rescuing them.  And there are others on the list who
> will experience those 
> profiteers ...unless we're able to help them discern
> the difference.
> 
> -Sherri Venditti
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 message/rfc822 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:06:19 EST
> Subject: Re: Two young Berners needing homes (NOT)
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> << In a message dated 11/13/2002 12:16:52 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>  
>  << Hi everyone,
>   
>   There are 2 Berner siblings, born in March 2002
> needing new homes.  They 
>   are currently being fostered for the Northern
> Virginia SPCA & can be seen 
> at:
>   Look at Max & Zoe at:  http://www.spcanova.org/
>    >>
>  
>  As posted yesterday, the NOVA SPCA has requested
> that no one else call on 
> these dogs.  They have been swamped with calls and
> have more people wanting 
> them then they can interview.
> 
> Thanks,
>  
>  Carol Lingley
>  Ijamsville, MD >>
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.3 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:05:02 -0500
> From: M Kingsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Posters
> 
> Hi All - Anyone know where I can get ahold of some
> good, big educational
> posters? I'd love ones on: 'Reasons to spay/neuter',
> 'how to tell when
> your dog is overweight' and 'toxic foods/plants'. My
> training club has
> lots of wall space and I've already got the LOC
> poster and an AKC breeds
> poster lined up but I'd like to get others. Thanks,
> Mie
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.4 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:12:04 -0600
> From: catherine green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: berner-l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Hips, Elbows, X-Rays, Breeders, Owners...
> 
> Whew! Now that I'm caught up on my Digests I must
> say that there have
> been some lively discussions! (we've been busy with
> Jenny and Canoe,
> getting them settled in and realizing that yes, we
> DO have 4 big dogs!)
> Our breeder sold us a pup with one blue eye for the
> same price as
> her"show quality" pups. She gave us specific
> instructions on feeding,
> socialization and exercise, which we followed. She
> has been (and
> continues to be) available to us as a resource and
> friend. Our contract
> stipulates that Mickey's hips and elbows be x-rayed
> and the results be
> registered. We will also have to have his eyes
> CERFed. We have been VERY
> happy with our experience with our breeder. And I
> feel that our Mickey,
> who possesses a fabulous temperament, intelligence,
> sparkle, wit, drive,
> affection, a sound body and a desire to please, is
> every bit worth the
> price we paid. Some of the breeders on the List have
> mentioned breeding
> for temperament and health before "looks" and I
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