Vilma, As I answered you separately, at first I did not see your answer to the list. You sent two different replys.
They who create the laws in our country knows a lot about what these collars means of punishment towards the dog. It is the reason why it is forbidden! I am also very glad for these on the list who tell us about their very positive way of caring for their dogs = without prong collars and without crates for puppies and older dogs. Lets hope and pray for the positive way of living and learning for everyone, Margareta Strand Stockholm Sweden > Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Svara till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Datum: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:32:48 +0530 > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Kopia: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ämne: Re: harnesses, Haltis, prong collars > > forwarded in plain text for Vilma: > > > In a message dated 7/29/2003 12:40:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> prong collars are forbidden....and even if they was not forbidden I would not >> use them. The feeling of the best for the dog is always the most important, >> more important than my own convenience. >> > > Margaret, > Have you ever tried using a prong collar on a dog? Have you ever seen a dog > learn to wear one? You'd be surprised! Fitted and used proplerly, the dogs > really aren't bothered much by it, but they usually quickly stop trying to > dislocate mom's shoulder! A member of our Berner club actually had that happen > to her. When used properly, the prong collar/pinch collar doesn't hurt them in > any way the dog indicates, so I let the dog tell ME what stresses him too much > and what does not, I don't decide that for him. The overwhelming majority of > dogs don't show any body language or vocalisation that indicates stress > whatsoever. Wearing the prong collar does nothing to their attitude 99.9% of > the time, most dogs adapt amazingly well and very quickly and do not find it > to be aversive at all. > > Of course every tool is not for every dog, some dogs don't do well w/ head > halters, some flip out at citronella bark collars, some do fine w/ choke > collars -- all the opposite of what I recommend. You need to match the > individual dog and his handler to the tool. That is part of the skill of > being a dog trainer. And if you own just one dog, you ARE a dog trainer. :-) > > All dogs do not need a prong collar or head halter, many do fine on a flat > buckle collar, my own adult dogs dont wear them, and if you are lucky enough > to have well behaved dogs that's wonderful -- but there are a lot of dogs who > would not get to go on walks at all if they were that poorly behaved and > pulled that much. I think these dogs would much rather get to go places and do > things than be left home! > > Vilma Briggs (Kistner) > Mt. Gilead, OH > U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT > Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT > U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT > Thirdtym's A Charm, CD > Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy "Perc") > and foster Bernerboys: Brew (Pat Long's dog 2B) and Buzz > and foster PRT: Daisy > ______________________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze > (http://www.mailbreeze.com) >
