Dear Glenn,
I posted a new revision MVPN-MIB document.
This revision addresses mainly editorial parts of your comments.
Although so many TBDs have remained, I hope that this becomes
the re-starting point to finalize this document.
URL:
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03.txt
Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib/
Htmlized:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
Diff:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
Please see some notes below.
1. Abstract:
1.1 Please give the full expansion of MPLS/BGP
Fixed.
1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
Please fix accordingly.
This point will be fixed in the next revision.
2. Introduction
2.1 PE - appears first time. Please give the full expansion.
Fixed.
2.2 Is the protocol for "exchanging VPN multicast" or
"exchanging VPN multicast states"? Please fix appropriately.
"exchanging VPN multicast states" is correct. Fixed.
2.3 The expression "standard MIB" in the following is confusing:
"This document defines a standard MIB for MVPN-specific
objects that are generic to both PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN."
Is there any special significance in the "standard" above?
If no, then please drop the word.
Fixed. I dropped the word "standard".
Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
This point will be fixed in the next revision.
2.4 Please give the full expansion of the abbreviations occuring
for the first time in the document. (MPLS, L3VPN).
Fixed.
2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
improve readability.
e.g.
- MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
- C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
C-multicast states
- I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next
revision.
3. MVPN MIB.
This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
3.1 In
"This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
"the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
Please use precisely defined terms.
3.2 In "To represent them,...."
"them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
These points will be fixed in the next revision.
3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
Partially fixed. Each box represents a table defined in this document.
I fixed the labels in the boxes.
More detailed explanation will be added in the next revision.
3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
These points will be fixed in the next revision.
MIB definitions:
4. MIB syntax checking:
smilint -s -e -l 5 mibs/MCAST-VPN-MIB 2>MCAST-VPN-MIB.txt
I fixed the most of the warnings except for "index-exceeds-too-large".
I think the restructuring of the MIB module may be required in order to
fix "index-exceeds-too-large". Thus, I will need more time to work on
this.
5. IMPORTS clause
MIB modules from which items are imported must be cited and included
in the normative references.
The conventional style is
mplsStdMIB
FROM MPLS-TC-STD-MIB -- [RFC3811]
Fixed.
6. Please update the MODULE-IDENTITY. (There are no syntantic errors.)
6.1 'ORGANIZATION "IETF Layer-3 Virtual Private
Networks Working Group."'
needs to be fixed to
'ORGANIZATION "IETF BESS Working Group."'
or something more appropriate.
Fixed.
6.2 CONTACT-INFO
Following the conventions (including indentation style) will
improve the readability. (e.g. RFC4382, RFC5132).
Fixed.
6.2 REVISION clause: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
REVISION "200212132358Z" -- December 13, 2002
DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC yyyy."
-- RFC Ed.: replace yyyy with actual RFC number & remove this note:
Fixed.
6.3 OID assignment: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
replace
::= { experimental 99 } -- number to be assigned
by
::= { <subtree> XXX }
-- RFC Ed.: replace XXX with IANA-assigned number & remove this note
<subtree> will be the subtree under which the module will be
registered.
Fixed.
7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
This will be addressed in the next revision.
8. MOs.
8.1 Scalar Objects: The name mvpnMvrfNumber may be misleading.
I would recommend the usage of the same naming style
as RFC 4382 e.g. mvpnMvrfs, mvpnV4Mvrfs, mvpnV6Mvrfs (instead of
mvpnMvrfNumber, mvpnMvrfNumberV4, mvpnMvrfNumberV6, ...) unless
there is some good reason to not do it.
Fixed.
8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
SYNTAX Unsigned32
DESCRIPTION
"The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
explicitly.
o The expression "present on this device" is used.
Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
case:
replace
SYNTAX Unsigned32
by
SYNTAX Gauge32
Partially fixed. I replaced Unsigned32 by Gauge32.
I will try to update description in the next revision.
8.3 For all the following scalars:
mvpnMvrfNumber
mvpnMvrfNumberV4
mvpnMvrfNumberV6
mvpnMvrfNumberPimV4
mvpnMvrfNumberPimV6
mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV4
mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV6
mvpnMvrfNumberMldp
same comments as 8.2.
Name and SYNTAX of these scalars were fixed.
Description will be fixed in the next revision.
8.4 mvpnGenAddressFamily OBJECT-TYPE
DESCRIPTION
"The Address Fammily that this entry is for"
s/Fammily/Family/
Fixed.
8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
SYNTAX INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
deletedMvrf(2),
modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
}
DESCRIPTION
"This object describes the last operational change that
o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
"OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be
changed
after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
This will be addressed in the next revision.
8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
MAX-ACCESS read-write
::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS read-write for a row that may be
dynamically created.
Replace
MAX-ACCESS read-write
by
MAX-ACCESS read-create
if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
MAX-ACCESS read-only
will suffice.
This will be addressed in the next revision.
8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
DESCRIPTION
"This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
for I-PMSI configuration."
o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
o same comment as above
These will be addressed in the next revision.
8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
SYNTAX RowStatus
DESCRIPTION
"This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
others too).
o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
after an agent restart
I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
mvpnGenRowStatus
mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
Please check and fix.
I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
OBJECTS {
mvpnGenOperStatusChange
}
::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
o should be { mvpnNotifications 1 }
o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
see in OBJECTS.
The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181
Sec.3.4.
However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
to the update in the main body of MIB module.
12. COMPLIANCE.
12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
supported? Please note that sec 2. MVPN MIB says
"This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
Please check and fix.
It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
monitoring but not configuration.
Please check and fix.
This will be addressed in the next reivision.
General nits:
13.1 Page-1 s/an portion/a portion/
13.2 Page-1 s/we'll/we will/
13.3 Page-5 s/ mvpnSpmsiTable\/Etnry/mvpnSpmsiTable/
I think that the "/Entry" was removed from similar titles
in the earlier draft as adivised by the document shepherd.
This one should be removed too.
13.4 ID-nits:
Fixed.
14. There is another WIP L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB in the WG.
Is there a good reason for not merging the 2 documents?
Some clarification or pointers will be helpful.
In my understanding, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB is designed for both
L2VPN multicast and L3VPN multicast, but MVPN-MIB is designed
only for L3VPN multicast. I think this is a reason why there are
two separate documents.
-- tsuno
2016-06-07 0:44 GMT+09:00 Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzh...@juniper.net>:
Mach, Glenn,
I've addressed most of the comments from Glenn on the l2l3 mvpn mib and
had started on addressing some comments on mvpn mib, but I've been side
tracked and am making very slow progress.
I will try to pick it up again soon.
Thanks.
Jeffrey
-----Original Message-----
From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 3:30 AM
To: Glenn Mansfield Keeni <gl...@cysols.com>; Benoit Claise
<bcla...@cisco.com>; EXT - thomas.mo...@orange.com
<thomas.mo...@orange.com>
Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzh...@juniper.net>; ops-...@ietf.org;
Martin
Vigoureux <martin.vigour...@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
Hi authors,
I saw the discussions between you and Glenn about l2l3 mvpn mib and you
have already submitted the 02 version to address the comments.
But I did not see any response to the below mvpn mib review and
comments(maybe I missed something), given that we have plan to progress
the mvpn-mib and l2l3-mvpn-mib documents together, what's your plan
about
this document?
Best regards,
Mach
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Mansfield Keeni [mailto:gl...@cysols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:04 PM
To: Benoit Claise; thomas.mo...@orange.com
Cc: ops-...@ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux; Mach Chen; Jeffrey (Zhaohui)
Zhang;
bess@ietf.org
Subject: MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
Hi,
I have been asked to do a MIB Doctors review of
draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt.
The comments are attached.
You will note that this is preliminary review. There are some generic
comments
which apply to all the scalars and tables. Please take care of those
and
then we
will get onto the next phase.
Hope this helps.
Glenn
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