The developer says buy and sell prices are used for all gain tests. 

Therefore shorts are calculated as I describe below.

Prior to version 4.32, entry and exit prices were used.

Rik Rasmussen
Best Charts Yahoo Group Moderator
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: redloonbass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:41 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [bestcharts] Re: Backtest Error for Short Positions
> 
> 
> Rik,
> 
> Yes, I understand the logic in using the buy price as the divisor in 
> a %gain calculation for a short position.  I believe your method 
> agrees with the IRS method also.  Sounds like you've been thru this 
> quite a bit in the past, so thanks for your patience.
> 
> Hopefully though, the optimization routine is using the "absolute" 
> price move and not a "relative" price move to determine optimum 
> indicator parameters.  In other words, the optimizaion should be 
> independent of the method used to compute %gain.
> 
> Do you have any idea if that is the case?
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rik Rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > The issue of calculating gains on shorts has been argued here in 
> the past.
> > Originally, the program computed it differently. Several of us made 
> the
> > argument to change it and the developer did change it. I believe it 
> is
> > currently computed in the way we argued for.
> > 
> > ==================
> > This message is from the archives:
> > 
> > Message: 1138 From: Rik Rasmussen Received: Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:42 AM
> > Subject: shorts
> > 
> > Profit on shorts calculation has been corrected in version 4.32.
> > 
> > Back tests with long and short should give truer profit report.
> > 
> > Rather than use entry and exit, now uses buy and sell prices.
> > 
> > Rik Rasmussen
> > Best Charts Yahoo Group Moderator
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bestcharts/
> > 
> > ========================
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you short a stock at $10.00  and later cover at $9.00 you bought 
> at $9.00
> > to cover and originally sold at $10.00.
> > 
> > You invested $9.00 when you bought, sold at $10.00, made $1.00 
> profit.
> > 
> > (sell price - buy price)/ buy price = profit
> > 
> > ($10.00 - $9.00)/$9.00 = 11% profit
> > 
> > I know some people will argue that shorting should be calculated
> > differently, but to me this is the only method that makes sense to 
> me.
> > 
> > The only difference, as far as I am concerned is the fact that I 
> sell fisrt,
> > buy last.
> > 
> > Rik Rasmussen
> > Best Charts Yahoo Group Moderator
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bestcharts/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: redloonbass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:41 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [bestcharts] Backtest Error for Short Positions
> > >
> > >
> > > Wonderful program, however, it appears to me that the backtest
> > > routine incorrectly computes the % gain for short positions.  The
> > > program appears to use the exit price as the divisor for short
> > > positions.
> > >
> > > The correct computation for %gain on a short position should be
> > > (Entry-Exit)/(Entry) and for a long position, (Exit-Entry)/
> (Entry).
> > > In both cases the divisor should be the Entry price.
> > >
> > > Consequenty, for short positions, it is overestimating gains and
> > > underestimating losses.  If the optimization routine is also using
> > > the erroneous computation, then it is not finding the true 
> optimized
> > > parameters for the "short only" and "long and short" options.
> > >
> > > I am using version 4.33.2.  Am I correct?
> > >
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