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Please see if the following Citizens' Declaration is in line with what we want to do to transform our democracy: CITIZEN DECLARATION TRANSFORM INDIA CAMPAIGN Our Vision: Global Leadership; Our Mission: Peace, Prosperity and Progress for all; Our Goal: Vibrant Participative Democracy. * We have a Fundamental Duty “to strive towards excellence in all spheres of individual and collective activity so that the nation constantly rises to higher levels of endeavour and achievement” as enshrined in the Constitution (Art 51A)* * * *We the citizens hereby exercise our right to to ensure good governance to - * 1. Improve Human Development Index; boost economic development with inclusive growth. 2. Reduce Corruption Perception Index; ensure transparency and accountability - statutory compliance of RTI Act, 2005; particularly suo moto disclosure of information as per of section 4 and 5 of the Act. 3. Cause a change from ‘Representative Democracy’ to ‘Participative Democracy’. * * * * *Our discerning voice can: * *‘make the impossible possible; and tomorrow happen today’.* * * * * Our inspiration is drawn from the following quotes …. One mighty deed can change the course of things (Aurobindo). A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history (Mahatma Gandhi) *JAI HIND* Kris Dev On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Praful Vora <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings. > Please forgive me for copying my response to all in the To and Cc list. > > The points made by both Vivek and Kishore are very pertinent if the > blossoming CITIZEN MOVEMENT FOR CHANGING POLITICAL CULTURE (main HERO), is > to have a desired OUTCOME. > > Personally and with the full support of JNM and associated Groups, I have > been trying to get this on the plate so to say. Maybe I too have made > mistakes ... but how can we forget the main HERO or all we are trying to > do? Let us always keep focus on this please. > > For us who wish this to happen, these past five months are just the > beginning. Many activists are now hopefully on the same page and will > realise what needs to be done and done fast. > > I want to create NODES in the city to take this forward. Let us all meet > on the first Sunday after the counting ... Sunday 24th May ... at Birla > Garden at 11 AM and have a preliminary session for two hours and decide on > Team Leads for various areas. > > As a first rule for better things ... let us be ON TIME ... I am planning > to start at 11 AM itself. > Kindly welcome committed activists who want to work on the ground and not > only on email and phone. > > Best wishes. > > > 2009/4/27 Kishore Jagtiani <[email protected]> > >> Dear Friends, >> >> >> >> The recent lok sabha elections campaigns across India has shown the TRUE >> FACE of all the politicians, political parties, bureaucracy, administration >> & all govt depts.. police & all others. Not only has everyone sunk to the >> lowest depths, not only has the bottom of the barrel been scraped, BUT THE >> ENTIRE BOTTOM HAS FALLEN OFF. >> >> >> >> It is truly a scary situation as one sees the future. Ask yourself this >> question – “ TERE BACHHE KA KYA HOGA” & the real nightmare begins to unfold. >> >> >> >> The political parties & all connected to politics have money & muscle >> power, & we cannot take on their might, BUT WE CAN BECOME ALERT CITIZENS & >> MONITOR & EXPOSE ALL MISDEEDS & CORRUPTION. >> >> >> >> Let us all unite together & across Mumbai & the country start citizens >> initiatives & citizens centres to hold the govt & the entire administration >> accountable & bring in transparency, decency & rule of law. >> >> >> >> All reforms are urgent, police, judicial, political & probity in public >> life is very important. >> >> >> >> United citizens initiatives will have good success everywhere as the >> numbers are with us & the people are the real masters & the others are our >> PAID SERVANTS, to perform the tasks allotted to them. BUT WHEN WE SLEEP OUR >> STAFF & SERVANTS ROB US BLIND. Imagine your paid help & staff, opening your >> cupboard & taking your money, wearing your clothes, sleeping in your bed, >> driving your car, going to your club, & taking your vacations, & enjoying >> all the comforts & luxuries on your account & THEN LORDING IT OVER YOU, & >> you as untouchables ARE SHOVED OFF THEIR PATH, like VIPS do nowadays, >> bringing traffic to a halt & being maximum nuisance value for you. >> >> >> >> Let all citizens unite with NGO’s like AGNI, PCGT, LOKSATTA, JNM. GOG & >> ALL OTHERS who are already there & doing excellent work, but lack volunteers >> & support. All citizens can uunite under their umbrella & can use their >> experience, expertise, research & homework done on all fronts, making the >> citizens initiatives & movement strong & bring in better governance >> reforms & a good way of life. >> >> >> >> I welcome everyone to come forward & volunteer. Send me your contacts & >> interest & time you can give, & we can build this movement together with all >> the NGO's & groups >> >> >> >> Kishore Jagtiani – 9819746298 >> >> Working for Citizens Initiatives, Citizens Centres, Good Governance, >> Anti-Corruption & All-Round Reforms. >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Vivek Umrao Glendenning < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Respected Brothers & Sisters & Friends, >>> I had stopped to write in BM groups long ago (around 2 or 3 years ago). I >>> preferred to read emails when i get to enjoy online actions. >>> I would like to request Sh. Sachin Khare and Sh. Yogi (moderator) you >>> both. >>> >>> Sh. Yogi is right in sense that some religious social faiths were misused >>> to get political powers for decades by BJP, thus Ram Rajya or similar words >>> can create confusions in minds of friends of BM. BJP Party rulings were not >>> good it has been seen. But if Sh. Yogi has conceptual clarities then he >>> should refuse unwanted things without rejecting any individual or >>> individuals. >>> >>> I guess that one of his emails Sh. Sachin ji wanted to say that if Advani >>> says that he will return money from abroad banks then we should trust him. I >>> think Sh. Sachin thinks that BM is not going to get power in India thus if >>> we can have a small door then we should accept that. >>> >>> I think because BJP uses technological communication systems and to >>> attract metro youths, Advani ji started to talk in his website and may he >>> was asked for returning of money then he made any statement. >>> >>> Abroad money can be returned only politicians who do not have their money >>> in abroad banks. These things are not very light as we take. Indian systems >>> are highly corrupt as Leaders, Officers, whole government machineries (from >>> top to bottom), judiciary systems, NGOs, Media and others. Mass momentums or >>> mass movements can not be generated by posting emails or moderating emails >>> or creating websites by sitting in offices of companies. We need to go to >>> masses and need to be their own part and need to be part of their pains for >>> long term. We think that we are extra-ordinary and only we have best >>> understanding thus by holding powers we will change all systems in 5 years >>> from bottom to top. >>> These are childish things. It never happened, it never happens and will >>> never happen. >>> >>> Changes in India will be evolved by its masses of forgotten. If really we >>> are honest, we must learn to be together above our all egos and individual >>> identities. >>> Thanks, >>> love, >>> vivek umrao glendenning >>> >>> >>> MOJ wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> I know that after this mail these BM ppl. Will not allow any of my posts >>> on >>> this Group. I request you all to please send all your posts as CC to me >>> Directly >>> >>> EXCEPT BARBARA ALI. I Don't want to waste my time reading your comments >>> on >>> anything. >>> >>> And for you Mr. Moderator, I was about to write you the under stated >>> message, but as I can see you wish to reject my message I would like to >>> inform you that at least Yahoo is humble enough and flashed my message >>> into >>> the Group. >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> Dear Mr. Yogi, >>> Somehow, I expected a mail from you after I wrote the mail to Mr. Vora. >>> >>> I don't know What Kind Of Indian Citizen you people are,, you have >>> Objection >>> on Me using "Ram Rajya" or "Lord Rama" but you have no shame passing the >>> word "80 year old FOOL" from Mr. Vora. >>> >>> In my whole life, even if I disagree with my Parents or Elders in my >>> family >>> or my Society, I cannot even think of using such abusive language. No one >>> who has real Indian Values could even think of using such idiotic words >>> for >>> even an unknown person who is of that age. >>> >>> I am reading your community mails since long and I can see you are >>> approving >>> Barbara Ali's stupid comments, now you are telling me not to use Lord >>> Rama >>> in my mail. You are creating doubt in my mind about your origin. Do you >>> really belong to Indian Motherland or you are one of those backstabbers >>> who >>> pretend to be Indian. >>> >>> How could mare BJP or any damn party or person even think of "Tainting" >>> Lord >>> Rama. I don't agree with your thoughts here. No ways.... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sachin Khare >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <notify%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: >>> [email protected] <notify%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of >>> mail.ryogi >>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:01 AM >>> To: MOJ >>> Subject: Message not approved: NavNirman - Fwd: Advani to release report >>> about black money >>> >>> Hi Sachin >>> >>> I had sent u an email on objectionable statement. But I looked through >>> your >>> message again and found that I cannot approve it. BM is a political party >>> and we cannot support praising for other party idols on this forum. >>> >>> We assume that people join BM forum are trying to find ways on how we can >>> do >>> better than any of the existing pathetic political parties including BJP. >>> >>> Regards >>> Yogi >>> Moderator >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <notify%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: >>> [email protected] <notify%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of >>> mail.ryogi >>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:48 AM >>> To: [email protected] <mnofjabalpur%40yahoo.co.in> >>> Subject: Need Modification in Your Message >>> >>> Hi Sachin >>> >>> In your message to forum there is one line which I feel a bit sensitive >>> and >>> needs to be edited. - >>> " I look forward to have a REAL RAM RAJYA Under your Leadership, who >>> knows >>> you could be the Reincarnation of Lord Rama." >>> >>> Please don't misunderstand me but the meaning of "Lord Ram" and "Ram >>> Rajya" >>> has been tainted by BJP's political acts in past under. There is nothing >>> wrong with using that as an example but I don't want to give any sense to >>> people that BM too will one day follow the bloody path that BJP took. >>> >>> I suggest to remove this line before sending to Forum or replacing with a >>> better one that don't use Ram. >>> >>> I expect your cooperation on this matter. >>> >>> Regards >>> Yogi >>> Moderator >>> >>> > Mr. Praful Vora, >>> > >>> > Again I don't understand why you people don't want someone to prove >>> > that he can do something. What's your harm if Advani could get the >>> > money back to India. We are digesting so many Stupid Governments since >>> > our freedom ( or may not be the case), let us give him a try. >>> > >>> > Whatever they will do, I hope Active Citizens like you will not let >>> > any government to "FOOL" our great Nation. >>> > >>> > I hope Intelligent and experienced people as you, can handle our >>> > nation much better then Advani or Chidambaram or even Manmohan Singh. >>> > I Look forward to see you at the topmost position of Indian Government >>> > and I hope you will achieve the level much before 80 Year's so at >>> > least we will have a Serious, Intelligent and Smart person, who can >>> > handle any situation better >>> > >>> > Warm regards, >>> > >>> > Sachin Khare >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] <NavNirman%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: >>> [email protected] <NavNirman%40yahoogroups.com>] On >>> > Behalf Of Praful Vora >>> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:22 PM >>> > To: Aftab Siddique ALM 144; AGNI; Association For Democratic Reforms; >>> > Be The Change; Bharat NavNirman Aandolan; Bharat Uday Mission; >>> > Citispace; Citizen Consumer & Civic Action Group; Citizen Revolution; >>> > Citizens Action Forum; Citizens Take Charge; common cause; Deshbhakti >>> > Andolan; Forum For Change; Garaj Juhu; Humanist Party; Indi Patriot; >>> > IQOLMS; Jaagran; Jagrut Nagrik Manch; jai gurudev waye bangalore; >>> > Janhit Manch; Juhu Ekta ALM; Juhu Scheme Residents Association; >>> > Kishore Jagtiani Citizens Centre; Lead India; Lok Satta Aandolan; >>> > Loksatta; Mahiti Adhikar Manch; Movement for Peace and Justice; Mumbai >>> > JVPD North West ALM; Nagriksatta Ward-63 Assoc.; National Society for >>> > Clean Cities Pune; NavNirman Moderator; Parivartan India; Patriot NGO; >>> > Peter D'Mellow (Fr.); Prakruti YahooGroup; Promod Chawla; Rise Up!; >>> > RTI Forum; safer india; Satark Nagrik Sangathan; SAVE Forum; Shaurya >>> > Mehta; Sumaira Abdulali; Ved Prakash; Vile Parle West Parivartan >>> > Sahakar Samiti ALM; Vote Mumbai; voteindia; Young India One India; >>> > youth for equality; yuvasatta maharashtrachapter >>> > Subject: NavNirman - Fwd: Advani to release report about black money >>> > >>> > Some home truths or 'reality check' on the wild promises of the >>> > politicos who now again hanker for power in the 15th Lok Sabha .... >>> > >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> > From: Prakash Vora >>> > Date: 2009/4/17 >>> > Subject: Advani to release report about black money >>> > To: >>> > >>> > http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2009-04-17/524199news.html >>> > >>> > Mumbai, April 17: BJP's prime ministerial candidate LK Advani once >>> > again raised the issue of Indian money parked in tax havens like >>> > Swizerland and promised to bring back the slush funds within 100 days, >>> > if voted to power. >>> > >>> > Remember ... could not hang Afzal >>> > so give me 100 days only, forget Bofor. >>> > >>> > http://www.dailypioneer.com/170192/Switzerland-to-act-on-principle-of- >>> > law-on >>> > -banking-issues.html >>> > >>> > Talking to reporters in New Delhi, Switzerland Ambassador Philippe >>> > Welti said as of now there were no such requests with his Government. >>> > >>> > "One has to first see the request," Welti said and added, "We would >>> > always play according to the principle of law, in case any such >>> > request was made." >>> > >>> > Refusing to comment on BJP Prime Ministerial candidate L K Advani's >>> > demand for bringing back money stashed overseas, he said, "I would not >>> > comment on what has been said in your election campaign. 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