On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:

> On 08/21/08 17:59, "James Howison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/21/08 14:38, "Christiaan Hofman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It probably used Unicode, because that's tried before UTF-8.  
>>>> Shows my
>>>> point that you can't just trust it only because it didn't fail.
>>>
>>> It only uses Unicode if the file has the appropriate BOM, and UTF-8
>>> must not
>>> have that.  James, what is the encoding of the document you dropped
>>> the file
>>> on?  If it's Mac Roman or Latin 1, it's probably "succeeding" with
>>> that
>>> encoding and never tries UTF-8.  Mac Roman is gapless so you'll
>>> always get
>>> something out of it.
>>
>> AFAICS it's utf-8 (ok, that's what TextMate reports and when opened
>> with that encoding the ï character (umlaut-i) shows up fine.
>
> Okay, but what was the encoding of the .bib document you dropped  
> this /on/?
>
> When you drop a file, BibDesk guesses encoding in this order:
>
> 1) encoding of /destination/ document
> 2) extended attribute com.apple.TextEncoding
> 3) check for BOM; if present, use UTF-16 (big or little-endian, as
> appropriate)
> 4) try default C string encoding (typically Mac Roman)
> 5) try ISO Latin 1
>
> So if your document uses Mac Roman, you'll never get past the first
> condition.

Sorry Adam, should have read more carefully :)

It was ASCII.  I confirmed that dropping it on a new bib, saved as  
UTF-8, meant that it was properly inserted.

It would be nice if com.apple.TextEncoding was set by Safari (at  
least) when it saved a document with UTF-8 headers.  But I checked and  
while it receives that header, it doesn't add the xattr:

xattr -l Downloads/10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1000108.bib

com.apple.metadata:kMDItemWhereFroms:

com.apple.quarantine:

meh, encodings suck :)

--J


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