what are these neighbors who opposed the bike lanes going to do when the oil
runs out????  drive to armageddon??

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Mark Clear <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Mike's memory is correct--it was the council that narrowed the bike lanes
> by one foot from what BPW recommended. This was an attempt to compromise
> with some neighbors who opposed the bike lanes. Like most compromises, it
> satisfied nobody.
>
> Mark C.
>
>
> On 8/28/2010 12:57 PM Michael Rewey wrote:
>
>> First.  I was on the BPW when the Midvale configuration approved.  I do
>> not believe we
>> narrowed it, as suggested, from what was put before us.
>>
>> This is what I sent previously on the same subject.
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> This project was a marking "retrofit" after the street was resurfaced.
>>  There are two 10-foot
>> car lanes and a 12-foot bike/parking lane.  Ideally 13 feet would have
>> been better. The car
>> lanes were narrowed from 11 feet in order to get bike accommodations.
>>  Hopefully the
>> narrower lanes will slow down the cars.  Studies show that a one-foot
>> narrower lane slows
>> down cars from 0 to 3 mph.
>>
>> Yes 13 feet would have been better.  That is what WisDOT considers
>> desirable.  The
>> AASHTO minimum is 11 feet.
>>
>> The marking could have been a little more precise so that there would have
>> been no
>> pavement marking within the 12 feet bike/parking lane.  The 4-inch wide
>> pavement marking
>> should have been entirely in the motor vehicle lane.
>>
>> It all happened with staff, BPW and council support in spite of bikies
>> "favorite" alderoid who
>> spoke at length against encouraging bikes on Midvale.  It passed with only
>> one "no" from her.
>>
>> I am very encouraged with the council's positive resolve on bike issues.
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> Mike Rewey
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> On 27 Aug 2010 at 15:51, Ross, Arthur wrote:
>>
>> Darin,
>>
>> Midvale does meet AASHTO´s minimum width for a combined parking and bike
>> lane. The
>> AASTO guidelines are not on-line but you can stop by my office anytime to
>> review it. It is not
>> what Traffic Engineering proposed and prefers, but there was a political
>> process (and as an
>> advocacy trainer told us when the Bicycle Federation was being organized,
>> "it´s all politics all
>> the time") that wound up narrowing the cross-section from what TE proposed
>> and I believe
>> the Board of Public Works approved. Every project in already developed
>> areas is going to
>> involve a political process as the needs and desires of the neighborhood,
>> businesses and
>> politicians are weighed and balanced. Competing needs/interests will
>> include not only peds,
>> bikes and motor vehicles, but also parking, trees, terrace space (and the
>> use of it for
>> sidewalk cafes, merchandise displays, bicycle parking), etc.
>>
>> For info on the opening of the Badger Trail I would contact Ahna Bizjak,
>> [email protected]
>> Since this a Fitchburg project
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator
>> City of Madison Traffic Engineering Division
>> 215 Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., Suite 100
>> PO Box 2986
>> Madison, WI 53701-2986
>> 608/266-6225
>>
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:
>> [email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of burleigh chorus.net
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:18 PM
>> To: Troy Thiel
>> Cc: Dryer, David; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Bikies] More thank yous
>>
>>
>> Are these lanes at AASHTO standard widths ?
>>
>> I'm hoping that Midvale is not setting a precendent for defective bike
>> lanes.
>> -darin
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Troy Thiel<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks too for the widened bike lane on E Johnson....and also too for
>> the convex ( or is it concave ) mirror placed at the blind turn under
>> John Nolen on the trail near Olin Turnville Park so bike/ped traffic
>> knows what's coming!
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know when the Badger Trail opening ceremony is set for?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Michael Rewey<[email protected]>
>> Subject: [Bikies] Thank You No. 2 - Northside Bike Lanes
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
>> [email protected]
>> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 10:15 AM
>>
>> Bike lanes have been marked on Fordem Avenue between East
>> Johnson and Northfield
>> Place!
>>
>> Bike lanes have also been marked on Anderson Street between
>> Pearson Street and Wright
>> Street!
>>
>> Thank you! Thank you!
>>
>> These are only the fourth and fifth bike lanes on the deficient
>> northside. The first were
>> marked on two short blocks of Packers Ave between Darwin Road
>> and Tennyson Lane in the
>> mid 1990's. Earlier this summer lanes were marked on Commercial
>> and International Lane.
>>
>> Keep it up...
>>
>> Mike Rewey
>> Michael W. Rewey
>> 5522 Comanche Way
>> Madison, WI 53704-1026
>>  home: 608.249.6673
>>  cell: 608.698.6673
>> [email protected]
>>
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