what are these neighbors who opposed the bike lanes going to do when the oil runs out???? drive to armageddon??
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Mark Clear <[email protected]> wrote: > Mike's memory is correct--it was the council that narrowed the bike lanes > by one foot from what BPW recommended. This was an attempt to compromise > with some neighbors who opposed the bike lanes. Like most compromises, it > satisfied nobody. > > Mark C. > > > On 8/28/2010 12:57 PM Michael Rewey wrote: > >> First. I was on the BPW when the Midvale configuration approved. I do >> not believe we >> narrowed it, as suggested, from what was put before us. >> >> This is what I sent previously on the same subject. >> >> ------------------------------- >> This project was a marking "retrofit" after the street was resurfaced. >> There are two 10-foot >> car lanes and a 12-foot bike/parking lane. Ideally 13 feet would have >> been better. The car >> lanes were narrowed from 11 feet in order to get bike accommodations. >> Hopefully the >> narrower lanes will slow down the cars. Studies show that a one-foot >> narrower lane slows >> down cars from 0 to 3 mph. >> >> Yes 13 feet would have been better. That is what WisDOT considers >> desirable. The >> AASHTO minimum is 11 feet. >> >> The marking could have been a little more precise so that there would have >> been no >> pavement marking within the 12 feet bike/parking lane. The 4-inch wide >> pavement marking >> should have been entirely in the motor vehicle lane. >> >> It all happened with staff, BPW and council support in spite of bikies >> "favorite" alderoid who >> spoke at length against encouraging bikes on Midvale. It passed with only >> one "no" from her. >> >> I am very encouraged with the council's positive resolve on bike issues. >> --------------------------- >> >> Mike Rewey >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> On 27 Aug 2010 at 15:51, Ross, Arthur wrote: >> >> Darin, >> >> Midvale does meet AASHTO´s minimum width for a combined parking and bike >> lane. The >> AASTO guidelines are not on-line but you can stop by my office anytime to >> review it. It is not >> what Traffic Engineering proposed and prefers, but there was a political >> process (and as an >> advocacy trainer told us when the Bicycle Federation was being organized, >> "it´s all politics all >> the time") that wound up narrowing the cross-section from what TE proposed >> and I believe >> the Board of Public Works approved. Every project in already developed >> areas is going to >> involve a political process as the needs and desires of the neighborhood, >> businesses and >> politicians are weighed and balanced. Competing needs/interests will >> include not only peds, >> bikes and motor vehicles, but also parking, trees, terrace space (and the >> use of it for >> sidewalk cafes, merchandise displays, bicycle parking), etc. >> >> For info on the opening of the Badger Trail I would contact Ahna Bizjak, >> [email protected] >> Since this a Fitchburg project >> >> Arthur >> >> Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator >> City of Madison Traffic Engineering Division >> 215 Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., Suite 100 >> PO Box 2986 >> Madison, WI 53701-2986 >> 608/266-6225 >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On >> Behalf Of burleigh chorus.net >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:18 PM >> To: Troy Thiel >> Cc: Dryer, David; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Bikies] More thank yous >> >> >> Are these lanes at AASHTO standard widths ? >> >> I'm hoping that Midvale is not setting a precendent for defective bike >> lanes. >> -darin >> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Troy Thiel<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks too for the widened bike lane on E Johnson....and also too for >> the convex ( or is it concave ) mirror placed at the blind turn under >> John Nolen on the trail near Olin Turnville Park so bike/ped traffic >> knows what's coming! >> >> >> >> Anyone know when the Badger Trail opening ceremony is set for? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Michael Rewey<[email protected]> >> Subject: [Bikies] Thank You No. 2 - Northside Bike Lanes >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected] >> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 10:15 AM >> >> Bike lanes have been marked on Fordem Avenue between East >> Johnson and Northfield >> Place! >> >> Bike lanes have also been marked on Anderson Street between >> Pearson Street and Wright >> Street! >> >> Thank you! Thank you! >> >> These are only the fourth and fifth bike lanes on the deficient >> northside. The first were >> marked on two short blocks of Packers Ave between Darwin Road >> and Tennyson Lane in the >> mid 1990's. Earlier this summer lanes were marked on Commercial >> and International Lane. >> >> Keep it up... >> >> Mike Rewey >> Michael W. Rewey >> 5522 Comanche Way >> Madison, WI 53704-1026 >> home: 608.249.6673 >> cell: 608.698.6673 >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > -- "Our first task is to create a shadow economic, social, and even technological structure that will be ready to take over as the existing system fails."--David Ehrenfeld "We have at most ten years--not ten years to decide upon action, but ten years to alter fundamentally the trajectory of global greenhouse emissions."--James Hansen
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