world bike sharing map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&msa=0&msid=104227318304000014160.00043d80f9456b3416ced&source=embed&ll=36.949892,-94.130859&spn=52.9,79.013672&z=4

<http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&msa=0&msid=104227318304000014160.00043d80f9456b3416ced&source=embed&ll=36.949892,-94.130859&spn=52.9,79.013672&z=4>Montreal
has Bixis.  They're great.
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Mitchell Nussbaum <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I'm not sure I understand why redistribution is necessary in London.  In
> the morning, you'll need a lot of bikes at transportation centers, so
> commuters can ride them to work, and in the evening, you'll need a lot of
> bikes at transportation centers, so commuters can ride them back.  But
> that's where the bikes will naturally be, if they're not redistributed.  You
> would have to have a lot of extra kiosk slots to handle the surges back and
> forth, and that extra capacity would cost some money, but that doesn't sound
> like a really major problem.
>
> Whatever London's experience might be, I'm not sure how it would apply to
> Madison.  We don't have transportation hubs, at least downtown, and I
> wouldn't expect the bikes to be used heavily for commuting.  If the system
> works well, I'd expect it to be used mostly for short trips throughout the
> day -- shopping, lunch, errands, campus trips from one class to another,
> etc. -- and these would redistribute the bikes naturally, without much
> intervention by management.
>
> I would expect usage patterns in cities our size to be different from
> larger cities like London or Paris.  Does anybody know how B-Cycle has been
> working out in Boulder?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Rose" <[email protected]>
> To: "Kevin Luecke" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 12:04:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bikies] City investing in Rental bikes
>
> On 01/25/2011 09:37 AM, Kevin Luecke wrote:
>
> >     * The GPS units and the calorie counting is a bit gimmicky for the
> >       end-user, but is an integral part of the system for other reasons.
> >       The system software can track where bikes are and how full the
> >       various stations are based on the GPS readings. This allows users
> >       to pull up a webpage or app before they go grab a bike to make
> >       sure there are bikes at the station they are headed too. This also
> >       allows staff to redistribute bikes as needed.
>
> Redistributing the bikes seems like a potentially costly part of the
> program. I've read that in London, the bikes are used by a lot of daily
> commuters, which causes them to pulse out in the morning from
> transportation centers to employment centers and back again at night.
> That leads to two negative effects: it can be very difficult for a
> renter to find a free slot in a rack close to one of those
> transportation centers at certain times of the day, and it has led to a
> greater-than-expected need to redistribute the bicycles, which, if my
> understanding is correct, is performed in the case of London by city
> staff driving lorries. In the case of Madison-- who will be responsible
> for redistributing bicycles? Is there an alligator in that moat?
>
> Having said all that, I really like the sound of this program,
> particularly for certain use cases. I regret that the well-intentioned
> provincial legislature here has screwed the pooch for a similar program
> in the lower mainland by passing a mandatory helmet law.
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