Not sure what info you were looking to share, Dorothy, but there's a
lot that can be accessed here
<http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/madisonbeltline/reports.aspx>.
Bill, you should reviewthis report
<http://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/projects/by-region/sw/madisonbeltline/s2.pdf>
specifically as it makes it incredibly clear that the majority of
beltline traffic is coming from and going to destinations along the
beltline and into the urban core and that a southern "connector" would
have little impact on relieving traffic from the beltline as you suggest.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM Dorothy Krause via Bikies
<bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>> wrote:
This morning, I tried to send info on the beltline study that is
currently
underway, with alternatives that have been discussed. I got a note
back
saying it's stuck in moderator limbo because the attachments
(presentation
materials and minutes) were too large. If someone could release
that, it
might add to the conversation.
Dorothy Krause
Dane County Board of Supervisors
Fitchburg Common Council
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Subject: [Bikies] Belt line Re: Bikies Digest, Vol 87, Issue 14
Having to use the beltline, increasing lanes or even mass transit
is only
going to partly solve what to do with excessive traffic during
Madison's
half hour. A key component of the traffic tie up is the need to
use the road
way at the same time. I propose incentives of staggered road way
use. This
may be hard to establish as everybody wants to be there yesterday.
So, while
we're on the topic of social transportation change, might as well
adopt new
ways of getting to work in a "timely" manner.
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> 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com
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> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:52:58 -0600
> From: William Hauda via Bikies <bikies@lists.danenet.org
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> To: bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to
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> So what is, Mike? You did a fantastic job as lead planner at WisDOT
> for this area. You gave us bike facilities against tremendous odds.
> How do we solve the problem of more and more cars and trucks in a
> congested corridor like the Beltline?
>
>> On 1/30/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Rewey via Bikies wrote:
>> Building a new highway is not a solution...
>>
>> Mike Rewey
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2016 at 3:10, William Hauda via Bikies wrote:
>>
>> /To:/ bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>
>> /Date sent:/ Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:10:39 -0600
>> /Subject:/ Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in
>> Wisconsin coming to Dane County
>> in 2017 | Local News |
host.madison.com <http://host.madison.com>
>> /From:/ William Hauda via Bikies
>> <bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>>
>> /Send reply to:/ William Hauda <hau...@hughes.net
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>> I would think this will take some cars off the Beltline by
>> providing a more direct and safer bicycle commuter route between
>> Madison, McFarland and Stoughton. Currently, bicycling between
these
>> communities can only be done under very challenging conditions,
>> especially at the US 51/Beltline intersection. The eventual
long-term
>> solution to Beltline traffic congestion, however, will be
>> construction of a connector between US 18/151 at Verona to I-39/90,
>> which would eliminate the need for vehicular traffic heading
>> east-west to go through Madison. There are all sorts of property
>> owner, economic and environmental issues, but this will eventually
>> happen to avoid making Madison a transportation choke point.
>>
>> On 1/29/2016 9:53 PM, Mike Neuman via Bikies wrote:
>> I would hope that they are building this to relieve some of auto
>> commuter traffic in the area. But it seems they're bent on adding
>> more lanes to the beltine regardless. The should use this money to
>> establish a bus system between Madison and the outlying communities
>> instead. But of course that won't help keep the pockets of road and
>> bridge builders full.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies
>> <_bikies@lists.danenet.org_ <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org
<mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>>> wrote:
>>
_http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/longest-bike-bridge-in-wiscon
>>
sin-coming-to-dane-county-in/article_b9dd1f0d-e6ad-5a0e-bf0a-d424ff1e
>> d71e.html#utm_source=host.madison.com
<http://host.madison.com>&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2F&utm_me
>> dium=email&utm_content=headline_
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> To: William Hauda <hau...@hughes.net
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> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to
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> It seems pretty c!ear that the answer is alternatives to cars, not
> more roads. Buses and bikes are good alternatives in the near term.
>
> You don't fight obesity by buying bigger pants.
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 15:53 William Hauda via Bikies <
> bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>> wrote:
>
>> So what is, Mike? You did a fantastic job as lead planner at WisDOT
>> for this area. You gave us bike facilities against tremendous odds.
>> How do we solve the problem of more and more cars and trucks in a
>> congested corridor like the Beltline?
>>
>>
>> On 1/30/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Rewey via Bikies wrote:
>>
>> Building a new highway is not a solution...
>>
>> Mike Rewey
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2016 at 3:10, William Hauda via Bikies wrote:
>>
>> *To:* bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>
>> *Date sent:* Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:10:39 -0600
>> *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in
>> Wisconsin coming to Dane County
>> in 2017 | Local News |
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>> *From:* William Hauda via Bikies
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>> I would think this will take some cars off the Beltline by
>> providing a more direct and safer bicycle commuter route between
>> Madison, McFarland and Stoughton. Currently, bicycling between
these
>> communities can only be done under very challenging conditions,
>> especially at the US 51/Beltline intersection. The eventual
long-term
>> solution to Beltline traffic congestion, however, will be
>> construction of a connector between US 18/151 at Verona to I-39/90,
>> which would eliminate the need for vehicular traffic heading
>> east-west to go through Madison. There are all sorts of property
>> owner, economic and environmental issues, but this will
eventually happen
to avoid making Madison a transportation choke point.
>>
>> On 1/29/2016 9:53 PM, Mike Neuman via Bikies wrote:
>> I would hope that they are building this to relieve some of auto
>> commuter traffic in the area. But it seems they're bent on adding
>> more lanes to the beltine regardless. The should use this money to
>> establish a bus system between Madison and the outlying communities
>> instead. But of course that won't help keep the pockets of road and
bridge builders full.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies <
>> *bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>*
<bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>>> wrote:
>>
*http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/longest-bike-bridge-in-wiscon
>>
sin-coming-to-dane-county-in/article_b9dd1f0d-e6ad-5a0e-bf0a-d424ff1e
>> d71e.html#utm_source=host.madison.com
<http://host.madison.com>&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2F&utm_me
>> dium=email&utm_content=headline
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> To: "Bikies" <bik...@danenet.org <mailto:bik...@danenet.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to
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> You are stuck in the way of thinking that says traffic levels are a
> fixed value, and that we must build highways to accommodate that
fixed
> value. But traffic is more like a gas - it will expand to fill
> whatever container we provide for it.
>
> This means if you take roads away, there will be less driving.
If you
> add more roads, there will be more driving. The trick, is to build
> the roads (and bike paths, and ped facilities) in locations that
> promote accessibility.
>
>
>
> From: Bikies [mailto:bikies-boun...@lists.danenet.org
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> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in Wisconsin coming to
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> County in 2017 | Local News | host.madison.com
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>
>
>
> So what is, Mike? You did a fantastic job as lead planner at WisDOT
> for this area. You gave us bike facilities against tremendous odds.
> How do we solve the problem of more and more cars and trucks in a
> congested corridor like the Beltline?
>
> On 1/30/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Rewey via Bikies wrote:
>
> Building a new highway is not a solution...
>
>
>
> Mike Rewey
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2016 at 3:10, William Hauda via Bikies wrote:
>
>
>
> To: bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>
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> Date sent: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:10:39 -0600
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> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Longest bike bridge in
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> in 2017 | Local News |
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> From: William Hauda via Bikies
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> I would think this will take some cars off the Beltline by
> providing a more direct and safer bicycle commuter route between
> Madison, McFarland and Stoughton. Currently, bicycling between these
> communities can only be done under very challenging conditions,
> especially at the US 51/Beltline intersection. The eventual
long-term
> solution to Beltline traffic congestion, however, will be
construction
> of a connector between US 18/151 at Verona to I-39/90, which would
> eliminate the need for vehicular traffic heading east-west to go
> through Madison. There are all sorts of property owner, economic and
> environmental issues, but this will eventually happen to avoid
making
Madison a transportation choke point.
>
> On 1/29/2016 9:53 PM, Mike Neuman via Bikies wrote:
>
> I would hope that they are building this to relieve some of auto
> commuter traffic in the area. But it seems they're bent on
adding more
> lanes to the beltine regardless. The should use this money to
> establish a bus system between Madison and the outlying communities
> instead. But of course that won't help keep the pockets of road
and bridge
builders full.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies <
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