I have a 16-mile RT commute a few times a week, and encounter a few e-assist bikes. At the age of 70, I do share a concern about inexperienced cyclists of all types creating dangerous conditions. I also have no idea who would be legally liable for injuries caused by someone on a rented e-bike - the operator or the company?
Then there's my long-term concern over tailpipe emissions. E-bikes certainly prevent the direct-to-lungs health impacts to anyone exercising that cars and gas scooters create. But it's very unclear whether they will really have any long-term climate change minimization benefits, given our current slow pace of switching to clean energy. Are B-cycle e-bikes charged at the stations, or does Trek or a contractor have to drive around to pick up and deliver them for recharging?? An excerpt from a related link via Midwest Energy News, to an article describing e-scooter programs around the nation - The term "Juicers" sounds like something from a Mad Max sequel: "Additionally, Lime purchases renewable energy credits on a quarterly basis to compensate for the electricity used to power its scooter fleet, Savage said. Lehner added that the company also offsets the emissions from the vehicle fleet it uses to collect and transport the scooters. Those vehicle fleets, which many companies use to relocate their scooters, have been the subject of some skepticism from observers of Chicago’s pilot. “There’s some math that needs to be done” to evaluate vehicle miles saved by the scooters versus the miles used to transport them, said Lucas Stephens, a research analyst at the Environmental Law & Policy Center. In addition to the companies’ own fleets, some also pay people independently to pick up the scooters — which don’t have a public charging system — and charge them at home. Lime calls these individuals juicers <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Prj2aWr6Vg>. Stephens said that if these independent contractors are also using cars to pick up scooters, that potentially adds emissions. “What I do like, and what there has been some movement on, is some momentum towards street infrastructure,” he said. Riders aren’t allowed to use the scooters on sidewalks, and streets can be dangerous. Rather, they’re encouraged for use in bike lanes, leading to a push by scooter companies for more city bike lanes, which Stephens said would help Chicago meet its carbon reduction goals. Some operators, including in Nashville <https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2019/06/17/bird-scooter-nashville-lime-lyft-uber-rental-safety/1480842001/>, are discussing using portions of scooter trip fees toward installing additional bike lanes. Chicago and several other cities recently launched <https://www.greenbiz.com/article/cities-organize-face-scooter-data-controversy?utm_content=bufferb8c53&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=greenbiztweets> an effort to create data-sharing tools for scooter- and bike-sharing programs so that city governments can make these programs, and accompanying infrastructure, more useful for residents. “I think we’re going to have to wait and see” whether electric scooters have a place in the city, Irvin, at the Center for Neighborhood Technology, said. “I don’t think we’re going to see everybody abandoning their bikes and their cars,” she said, but “there’s the potential for it to fill a missing link.” “People are going to ask if we need this, but that’s not the question,” said Nabong, at NRDC. “The question is whether it makes life better.” “Cleaning up the transportation that we have is not just getting more Teslas and Chevy Bolts on the road,” he said. “Everybody deserves to have the air be clean. These types of programs are innovative ways to get these benefits to everybody.” On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:40 PM <bikies-requ...@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > Send Bikies mailing list submissions to > bikies@lists.danenet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > bikies-requ...@lists.danenet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > bikies-ow...@lists.danenet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Bikies digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. E-Bikes (john wagnitz) > 2. Re: E-Bikes (Harald Kliems) > 3. Re: E-Bikes (Brian Mink) > 4. Re: E-Bikes (Steve Arnold) > 5. Re: E-Bikes (Scott Rajski) > 6. Re: E-Bikes (Harry Read) > 7. Re: E-Bikes (Robbie Webber) > 8. Re: E-Bikes (Matt Coppens) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 22:38:12 +0000 (UTC) > From: john wagnitz <jjwagn...@yahoo.com> > To: Bikies ListServe <bikies@lists.danenet.org> > Subject: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: <842144358.507220.1562711892...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path > in Madison? I predict before the end of the month.The offenders are not > riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? with the Copenhagen > wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed limit.?The State > Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these ?bikes.?I > hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed.John Wagnitz? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190709/e41aa3e9/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 19:56:39 -0500 > From: Harald Kliems <kli...@gmail.com> > To: john wagnitz <jjwagn...@yahoo.com> > Cc: Bikies ListServe <bikies@lists.danenet.org> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: > < > cacwr0f9zmnmvoqionyu9_kujvhm3718bvax+fevstvc73dd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > John, I'd happily take you up on the bet! $100 that there won't be a > fatality on the bike path in Madison that involves someone on an e-bike > before the end of July 2019. Maybe we can get another bikie as a bookie and > referee. And so that we don't run afoul of any gambling regulations, you > can send the $100 as a donation to Madison Bikes if I win. > Best, > Harald. > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:55 PM john wagnitz via Bikies < > bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path > > in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? > > with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed > > limit. > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these > > ?bikes.? > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > John Wagnitz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > -- > Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! > Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190709/8b4633c8/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 20:21:49 -0500 > From: Brian Mink <bcm...@gmail.com> > To: Bikies@lists.danenet.org > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: <e846316d-d3b0-f69a-3290-39f4a81a2...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > On any given day for the last three years I see dozens of e-bikes > operating on bike paths and trails. Many are large, heavy cargo bikes > carrying parents and kids speeding along at sub 20 mph speeds. I've yet > to see, read about or hear about any accident, let alone death caused by > an e-bike rider. So, John Wagnitz I'm going to posit that your claim is > mostly hyperbole. > > Brian Mink > Monona > > Harald Kliems via Bikies wrote on 7/9/19 7:56 PM: > > John, I'd happily take you up on the bet! $100 that there won't be a > > fatality on the bike path in Madison that involves someone on an > > e-bike before the end of July 2019. Maybe we can get another bikie as > > a bookie and referee. And so that we don't run afoul of any gambling > > regulations, you can send the $100 as a donation to Madison Bikes if I > > win. > > Best, > > ?Harald. > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:55 PM john wagnitz via Bikies > > <bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>> wrote: > > > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the > > bike path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding > > ?bikes? with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are > > breaking the speed limit. > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate > > these ?bikes.? > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something > > before somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > John Wagnitz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org <mailto:Bikies@lists.danenet.org> > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! > > Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > -- > Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190709/92e78390/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:18:26 -0500 > From: Steve Arnold <steve.arn...@fitchburg.wi.us> > To: bikies@lists.danenet.org > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: <44cd321f-f276-fb05-4457-c75a6ce29...@fitchburg.wi.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 7/9/2019 5:38 PM, john wagnitz via Bikies wrote: > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike > > path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? > > with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed > > limit. > > Insofar as I know, there is no speed limit on Madison paths and state > trails. What statute, ordinance, or administrative rule do you think > establishes a speed limit? > > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these > > ?bikes.? > > The "e-bike bill" has been passed by the Senate and recommended by an > Assembly to the full house, but not passed by the Assembly or signed > into law by the government. The powers you describe do not yet exist. > > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > John Wagnitz > > The supporters of the e-bike bill (including the Wisconsin Bike Fed, the > American Heart Association, the Cities and Chambers of Commerce of > Madison and Milwaukee, Greater Wisconsin Agency on Aging Resources, > Trek, Harley-Davidson, Uber, and the WI League of Municipalities) agree > that differences in speed in congested areas, not speed, and especially > not the source of motive power, are the source of many safety risks. > > They urge those who will have power to regulate the newly defined > vehicles to first consider separation of modes, e.g., providing cycle > tracks parallel to roads and separating multi-use paths into cycle > tracks and pedestrian ways. This solution is in place and working well > on the busiest active transportation facilities in Madison: the Capital > City State Trail at Monona Terrace, where bike commuter and fishermen > and -women safely coexist. > > If there is still a safety problem, or if mode separation is infeasible, > then regulators should consider speed limits for all facility users, not > just one vehicle type. We all have seen bicycle athletes on completely > human-powered bikes hammering down multi-use paths without regard to > other users. Why pick out e-bikes, or Copenhegen Wheel users, for > special attention? > -- > Steve Arnold, Former Mayor, and > Chair, Wisconsin Bike Fed Board of Directors Lobbying Committee > 2530 Targhee Street, Fitchburg, Wisconsin 53711-5491 > Telephone +1 608 278 7700 ? Facsimile +1 608 278 7701 > steve.arn...@fitchburg.wi.us ? http://Arnold.US > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:01:16 -0500 > From: Scott Rajski <srraj...@gmail.com> > To: john wagnitz <jjwagn...@yahoo.com> > Cc: Bikies ListServe <bikies@lists.danenet.org> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: > <CAN6bxquMLmww_qdkNkuASiaKjNH5MWv-= > 1tgcisqqdfx9do...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > John has a super-valid point. Though I do see the advantages and > contributions that e-bikes have made to society and I believe they have a > place, it is also true that a huge number of people effectively use them as > motorcycles. What's more is that, as is now being found out in Europe > (indicated by a dog-walking acquaintance from Finland), the fundamental > problems with E-bikes is that they readily enable folks to operate with > very high speeds in the absence of bike handling skills. That is to say > that, unlike a human-powered bike where the skills involved in attaining > high speeds generally requires commensurate bike handling skills, E-bikes > enable one to quickly obtain high speeds with little to no bike handling > skills. > > Don't kid yourselves, someone is definitely going to get hurt unnecessarily > riding an E-bike on the bike trail, maybe not fatally, but seriously. Just > hoping they don't take anybody else down with them. Oh - also - forgot, > this logic is also underscored by the fact that many E-bikes are > tremendously heavy - lots of momentum to deal with. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 6:55 PM john wagnitz via Bikies < > bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path > > in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? > > with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed > > limit. > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these > > ?bikes.? > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > John Wagnitz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190710/c39e1c1f/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:10:02 -0500 > From: Harry Read <harry.r...@uwalumni.com> > To: Steve Arnold <steve.arn...@fitchburg.wi.us> > Cc: bikies@lists.danenet.org > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: > <CACe-WxZU74aYHuy4mjY8m= > cc3ihcdkgd3+8gbnwby7tdwkb...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >From a website called electricbikereview.com, a forum administrator > posted > what they describe as a guide to US law regarding ebikes as of 2016. It > states that "In the United States electric bikes have seen slow but steady > growth since the late 90?s and as a result, in 2001 congress was lobbied > and passed the first and only bill to define ebikes in federal law. This > law, 107-319, exempts electrified bicycles with operating pedals using > motors under 750 watts limited to 20 mph from the legal definition of a > motor vehicle." BTW, 750 W is about 1 horsepower. Mopeds (remember those? > no?) were about 3 hp, and scooters of the sort that plague the UW campus > range between perhaps 8 and 15 hp. That jibes with my understanding of why > ebikes are not considered motorcycles. I have not witnessed any close calls > or other issues with ebike riders on bike paths but I can see where > conflict may arise if ebikes continue to grow in popularity. > > I think ebikes offer a great opportunity to get people who would otherwise > drive to work, etc., out of their cars, with potentially great reductions > in CO2 emissions as a result. But when I think about the implications of > that, I worry that people who are less experienced bike riders will be out > on their ebikes going at the top end of what most of us can achieve on a > flat roadway. There are ample fatalities and injuries among non-ebike > riders and it would be unfortunate if a spike in ebike accidents kept > people in their cars. I don't have a solution, but I think bike/ebike > safety classes are a good place to start. Are the ebike sellers doing > anything about educating their customers about safety? > > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:18 AM Steve Arnold via Bikies < > bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > > > On 7/9/2019 5:38 PM, john wagnitz via Bikies wrote: > > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike > > > path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? > > > with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed > > > limit. > > > > Insofar as I know, there is no speed limit on Madison paths and state > > trails. What statute, ordinance, or administrative rule do you think > > establishes a speed limit? > > > > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate > these > > > ?bikes.? > > > > The "e-bike bill" has been passed by the Senate and recommended by an > > Assembly to the full house, but not passed by the Assembly or signed > > into law by the government. The powers you describe do not yet exist. > > > > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > > > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > > John Wagnitz > > > > The supporters of the e-bike bill (including the Wisconsin Bike Fed, the > > American Heart Association, the Cities and Chambers of Commerce of > > Madison and Milwaukee, Greater Wisconsin Agency on Aging Resources, > > Trek, Harley-Davidson, Uber, and the WI League of Municipalities) agree > > that differences in speed in congested areas, not speed, and especially > > not the source of motive power, are the source of many safety risks. > > > > They urge those who will have power to regulate the newly defined > > vehicles to first consider separation of modes, e.g., providing cycle > > tracks parallel to roads and separating multi-use paths into cycle > > tracks and pedestrian ways. This solution is in place and working well > > on the busiest active transportation facilities in Madison: the Capital > > City State Trail at Monona Terrace, where bike commuter and fishermen > > and -women safely coexist. > > > > If there is still a safety problem, or if mode separation is infeasible, > > then regulators should consider speed limits for all facility users, not > > just one vehicle type. We all have seen bicycle athletes on completely > > human-powered bikes hammering down multi-use paths without regard to > > other users. Why pick out e-bikes, or Copenhegen Wheel users, for > > special attention? > > -- > > Steve Arnold, Former Mayor, and > > Chair, Wisconsin Bike Fed Board of Directors Lobbying Committee > > 2530 Targhee Street, Fitchburg, Wisconsin 53711-5491 > > Telephone +1 608 278 7700 ? Facsimile +1 608 278 7701 > > steve.arn...@fitchburg.wi.us ? http://Arnold.US > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190710/747f59d2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:43:09 -0500 > From: Robbie Webber <rob...@robbiewebber.org> > To: john wagnitz <jjwagn...@yahoo.com> > Cc: Bikies ListServe <bikies@lists.danenet.org> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: > <CAOT7DYy0VqoaMr2mfmQD= > vm9f80ofhk7xw4qcrychutv70s...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > While I think there are valid concerns with inexperienced people being able > to go relatively fast on paths and trails, I am reminded that carnage was > predicted when New York introduced Citibikes to their streets. People > thought that this would lead to all sorts of tourists, newbie bicyclists, > and others not used to the mean streets of NYC to be splattered across > Manhattan. Instead, everything worked out just fine. > > The new electric BCycles have a top speed of 17 mph, or rather the electric > assist cuts out at this speed. I know this because I was pedaling my heart > out on a gentle downhill, and yet couldn't even go as fast as I probably > could on my own standard bike. The Bcycles are the only ones that are > likely to be ridden by extremely inexperienced bicyclists. And... see the > above example with Citibikes. > > Robbie Webber > Transportation geek > All opinions are my own, and not necessarily those of any group or > organization with which I am affiliated. > > Founding member, Madison Bikes <http://www.madisonbikes.org/> > *...where anyone can ride a bicycle conveniently and comfortably to any > place year round.* > MadisonBikes.org <http://www.madisonbikes.org/> > Follow Madison Bikes on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/groups/MBIIC/> > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:38 PM john wagnitz via Bikies < > bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path > > in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? > > with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed > > limit. > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these > > ?bikes.? > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > John Wagnitz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190710/201ba41d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:05:06 -0500 > From: Matt Coppens <coppens.m...@gmail.com> > Cc: bikies@lists.danenet.org > Subject: Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes > Message-ID: > <CADtvmnUOnXv0ROjRP4CoG=+ > tpl5zrrealsodyqd8c4oaubn...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I too, at times, want to yell out into the void of the interwebs to create > drama where none has existed before. But I don't, because I am a rational > adult. > > So let's be real, there has been no notable accidents or incidents > resulting in serious injuries or deaths. There has been nothing brought to > the attention by local news outlets. And those who are riding said bicycles > are probably more aware of their surroundings because of the precious cargo > they carry. > > This post/chat has successfully wasted nearly 10min of my time in what > equates to pointless squabbling. If you want to make great use of time > here, let's focus on advocating for better roads, inclusion of separate > bike lanes on reconstruction and resurfacing of roads, and more signage to > alert drivers of cyclists. > > Be Best. > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 12:45 Steve Arnold via Bikies < > bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote: > > > On 7/9/2019 5:38 PM, john wagnitz via Bikies wrote: > > > Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike > > > path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month. > > > The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding ?bikes? > > > with the Copenhagen wheel. I?m pretty sure they are breaking the speed > > > limit. > > > > Insofar as I know, there is no speed limit on Madison paths and state > > trails. What statute, ordinance, or administrative rule do you think > > establishes a speed limit? > > > > > The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate > these > > > ?bikes.? > > > > The "e-bike bill" has been passed by the Senate and recommended by an > > Assembly to the full house, but not passed by the Assembly or signed > > into law by the government. The powers you describe do not yet exist. > > > > > I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before > > > somebody gets seriously injured, or killed. > > > John Wagnitz > > > > The supporters of the e-bike bill (including the Wisconsin Bike Fed, the > > American Heart Association, the Cities and Chambers of Commerce of > > Madison and Milwaukee, Greater Wisconsin Agency on Aging Resources, > > Trek, Harley-Davidson, Uber, and the WI League of Municipalities) agree > > that differences in speed in congested areas, not speed, and especially > > not the source of motive power, are the source of many safety risks. > > > > They urge those who will have power to regulate the newly defined > > vehicles to first consider separation of modes, e.g., providing cycle > > tracks parallel to roads and separating multi-use paths into cycle > > tracks and pedestrian ways. This solution is in place and working well > > on the busiest active transportation facilities in Madison: the Capital > > City State Trail at Monona Terrace, where bike commuter and fishermen > > and -women safely coexist. > > > > If there is still a safety problem, or if mode separation is infeasible, > > then regulators should consider speed limits for all facility users, not > > just one vehicle type. We all have seen bicycle athletes on completely > > human-powered bikes hammering down multi-use paths without regard to > > other users. Why pick out e-bikes, or Copenhegen Wheel users, for > > special attention? > > -- > > Steve Arnold, Former Mayor, and > > Chair, Wisconsin Bike Fed Board of Directors Lobbying Committee > > 2530 Targhee Street, Fitchburg, Wisconsin 53711-5491 > > Telephone +1 608 278 7700 ? Facsimile +1 608 278 7701 > > steve.arn...@fitchburg.wi.us ? http://Arnold.US > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20190710/c2e16844/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Bikies Digest, Vol 129, Issue 1 > ************************************** >
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