Hi Erik,

There is no configuration option for enabling multi-signer in BIND.

BIND 9.20 is able to deal with multi-signer setups, but as Mark mentioned earlier, all the coordination needs to be done outside the name server.

You may consider MUSIC for this: https://github.com/DNSSEC-Provisioning/music

Best regards,

Matthijs

On 9/28/24 03:50, Terik Erik Ashfolk wrote:
Does the BIND have command/parameter for configuring+running BIND in Multi-Signer MODEL-2 mode as specified in RFC 8901 ?
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8901.html

in another words, Can BIND itself handle multiple-provider's (aka: multiple-nameserver's) KSKs, ZSKs, DNSKEYs, etc RRsets and create/update RRSIGs accordingly with Multi-Signer MODEL-2 mode ?

If it can what commands/parameters enable such mode ?
What "update-policy" it needs ?

Erik.

Erik T Ashfolk.


On 9/27/24 2:53 PM, Terik Erik Ashfolk wrote:
According to the page
https://blog.apnic.net/2021/08/25/multi-signer-dnssec-models/
in MODEL 2.
I added an improved image as attachment.
<img alt="ZSK-signing" src="cid:ImportZSK-PublishDSofKSK.jpg" />
MULTI-ZSK-SIGNING IS ONE OF THE SOLUTION, and appears to be suitable for my case.

So, multi-signing with ZSKs from multiple nameservers would have worked,
when nameservers were using separate "zones" & "keys" folder,

I needed to sign n1's zone file with n2's ZSK & with n3's ZSK.
I needed to sign n2's zone file with n1's ZSK & with n3's ZSK.
I needed to sign n3's zone file with n1's ZSK & with n2's ZSK.

Because 3 nameservers are using SYNCED/REPLICATED shared directories & files,
so each ZSK & KSK are available to other nameservers.

for "key-directory"
n1 using "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/keys"
n2 using "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n2/keys"
n3 using "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n3/keys"

and shared common directory for BIND keys is
"/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/keys"

and shared directory is
"/mnt/vol/v1"

is there an option in BIND, that can monitor+enable additional ZSK signing from new ZSK key from other namerservers for same domain ?
if not, please add this as new feature in BIND.

if BIND itself cannot do the monitoring + multi-ZSK-signing now, then, HOW can i monitor the ".../bind/n1/keys" (or ".../bind/n2/ keys" or ".../bind//n3/keys" or ".../bind/keys" ) sub-dirs under shared-directory and find that BIND has began to use a new ZSK key ?

or HOW can i get a signal from BIND in each nameserver ? that, BIND has began to use a new ZSK key ?

so-that, i can trigger/run another script in each nameserver (which added new ZSK key) to begin signing my domain's zone file in other 2 nameservers with the new ZSK.

example : if n1 added a new ZSK for "example.com" domain, then a "new-zsk-key-monitoring-script.sh" script will create 2 files
"signal-n2-ExampleCom-MZS-zskNUMBER.txt"
"signal-n3-ExampleCom-MZS-zskNUMBER.txt"
in the shared-bind-directory : "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/keys".
Then "monitor-for-signal-file.sh" script running in n2 & n3, will get that signal, & run "multi-ZSK-sign-script.sh" to mulit ZSK signing.


Thanks in advance.

Erik.

Erik T Ashfolk.




On 9/26/24 7:26 PM, TErik Ashfolk wrote:
Hello BIND Community.

Looking forward to your suggestions, advises on setup DNSSEC enabled zones on multiple master/primary authoritative DNS server (Nameserver) with synced/replicated common shared directories/ volume.


Please skip the section(s) that you dont need to read/scan,

& goto the QUESTIONS , the last section.


OBJECTIVES (END-RESULT):

Trying to achieve HA (High-Availability <https:// en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/High_availability>), so-that, as long as 1 master/primary is up/running, then my domains are still available to world, and allowing users to obtain DNSSEC verified domain- name to IP-address resolving, etc from BIND DNS server services.



RESOURCES:

• Servers : rented 3 servers on 3 locations from different server providers.

• Domain : I have multiple domains from domain providers (registrar) . Here i will use "example.com"

• Each server has 1 IPv4-address, 1 IPv6-address.

• Domain provider's "Use your own Nameserver" is pointed to 3 hostnames in 3 nameservers : n1.example.com ( 192.10.2.11 , 2001:db8:1::1 ) , n2.example.com ( 198.51.100.12 , 2001:db8:2::2 ) , n3.example.com ( 203.0.113.13 , 2001:db8:3::3 ) IP-addresses.

• Each IP-adrs has it's RDNS setup done, to correspond & match with nameserver's hostname.

• Using Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) OS in each server. ( Server operator can use any other OS, its their choice/ preference. ) ( By the way, Debian GNU/Linux is base of Ubuntu Linux, kind of similar to: RedHat Enterprise GNU/Linux is base of Fedora Linux. )

• Using ISC BIND9 (9.18.0 , specifically now : 9.18.28) DNS server software, in each server. ( Server operator can use any other DNS server, its their choice/preference. )


ABOUT FILE/DIRECTORY REPLICATION:

• For directories & files replication/sync purpose, using Gluster software (1 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluster>,2 <https:// docs.gluster.org/en/latest/>,3 <https://serverfault.com/ a/1165339/217110>,4 <https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install- glusterfs-on-debian-12/>). ( There are many other choices for server operators:Multi-Master Replicaiton <https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-master_replication>,List <https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cluster_management_software>), its their own choice what suits best/works for their need/purpose.

• When any file/directory changes ( i.e: in "n1" server ) , then the replication/sync software that is installed/monitoring , will nearly immediately or within few seconds, begin to make same changes to same file/dir in server-operator's other servers ( n2 , n3 ), that are member of replication/sync volume/ directory. These replication software uses time-server to have accurate time. Whichever edit/creation/deletion/modification is done last, that takes priority & duplicated/replicated/synced.



SHARED/COMMON STORAGE/VOLUME/DIRECTORY:

• I created a large file ("data-s1.img"), ~ 300 MB in size, inside root-partition , at "/storage/s1/data-s1.img" . Formatted with XFS filesystem creation/make tools . Attached large-file into a loop block device . Mounted it in "/data/s1" directory . Created a systemd service "mount-storage.service" in Debian to do previous steps one after another, so-that it can succeed in mounting during boot , (as "/etc/fstab" was not suitable for this purpose) . Others can create/use a 2nd partition in same storage drive (i.e: "/dev/ sda2") or add another storage drive (i.e: "/ dev/sdb") in server . Others can use a script (or "/etc/fstab") during boot to mount, etc.

• after above steps, replication software (Gluster) was used to create replication volume "v1" inside the storage-mount-point ("/ data/s1") , so it became "/data/s1/v1" . i configured gluster to enable SSL/TLS based secure connection for replication process. Gluster also needs user to mount the volume as "glusterfs" type mount-point to monitor data r/w & replicate, & its done in : "/ mnt/ vol/v1" mount-point of volume "v1" . Followed stepshere <https:// serverfault.com/a/1165339/217110>(& changed file/dir names).

• the files+dirs under "/mnt/vol/v1/" is replicated/synced in each server, available/accessible in each server, in same location, has exact same contents.

• Created "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind" directory for BIND aka named aka DNS server aka nameserver software usage. Applied : chgrp bind / mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind

• Moved the "zones" dir+files from "/etc/bind", from "n1" server into the "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/" directory, & done similar for "n2" & "n3" servers . Moved the "keys" dir+files from "/etc/ bind", from "n1" into the "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1" directory, & done similar for "n2" & "n3".

• so, "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/keys" & "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/zones" folders/directories are COMMON for all servers: "n1", "n2", "n3".

• "n1" using "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/keys" dir & “/mnt/vol/v1/ etc/ bind/n1/zones” dir, so i created symlink inside to point+goto the replicated/synced mount-point, command : ln -s "/ mnt/vol/v1/etc/ bind/n1/keys" "/etc/bind/keys" ; ln -s "/mnt/vol/ v1/etc/bind/n1/ zones" "/etc/bind/zones" ;

• "n2" using "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n2/keys" dir & “/mnt/vol/v1/ etc/ bind/n2/zones” dir . & created symlinks as shown above.

• "n3" using "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n3/keys" dir & "/mnt/vol/v1/ etc/ bind/n3/zones" dir. & created symlinks as shown above.

• Added permissions in AppArmor "/etc/apparmor.d/local/ usr.sbin.named" file, for BIND/named, so that BIND/named can use "v1" replicated-volume "/mnt/vol/v1" BIND directories : /mnt/vol/ v1/etc/bind  , /mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/zones , /mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/ keys , /mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/zones , /mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/ keys in n1 server ( and i have done similar for n2 & n3 )  . Then applied changes with command : apparmor_parser -r /etc/ apparmor.d/ usr.sbin.named

• Also applied or re-checked if the ownership-&-permission (O&P) convention used+recommended by BIND/named for directories & files, are applied/done on the dirs+files inside the "/mnt/vol/ v1/etc/ bind, etc.



DNSSEC & DNS:

• Each nameserver has BIND DNS server named daemon software . Each BIND need to be Authoritative for my domains ("example.com" , "example2.com", etc) & response back to any DNS servers/clients query for my domains & for my subnet's reverse- zone . And each BIND DNS server also need to serve/perform as a recursive DNS resolver for any queries made into "localhost" ( 127.0.0.1 , ::1 ).

• Followed various related steps as-much-possible from "DNSSEC Howto for BIND 9.9+ <https://wiki.debian.org/ DNSSEC%20Howto%20for%20BIND%209%2E9%2B>” , ISCBIND docs for 9.18.28 <https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.18.28/doc/arm/ html/> ( that i'm using now while writing this msg ) , etc . Debian OS will update BIND in distro’s repo, & then my/op's servers will be updated to that version . For next/latest version, goto ISC BIND download pagehere <https://www.isc.org/ download/>, search for "PDF" word, select/click on the HTML / PDF doc version that you want to read/follow.

• As each nameserver has different IP-addresses, so i've kept the "named.conf", "named.conf.local", "named.conf.options" files in the /etc/bind of server itself, for faster loading .

• The "named.conf" file has BIND ACLs, and include directives . This file has same content in each server . Has “ acl LocalHostR { 127.0.0.1; ::1; } ; LocalHostRv4 { 127.0.0.1; } ; LocalHostRv6 { ::1; } ; acl BlockedNets { 0.0.0.0/8 ; 192.0.2.0/24 ; 224.0.0.0/3 ; 10.0.0.0/8 ; 172.16.0.0/12 ; 192.168.0.0/16 ; } ; acl N1-IPv4 { 192.10.2.11; } ; acl N1-IPv6 {2001:db8:1::11; }; ” , etc, (remove quote symbols) . ( i added more IPv4 & IPv6 in BlockedNetslater ).

• The "named.conf.local" file has forward zones & reverse zones declarations : each zone has "type primary;" directive/option set , each zone has "file" directive with file located in replicated volume location . Each local zones & each local reverse-zone for IP-address) have "allow-query { LocalHostR; };" . My each domain's zone (i.e: "zone "example.com" { ... };") declarations, & reverse- zone for my own subnet, has "allow-query { any; };" .

•My domain “example.com”zone declaration in “named.local.conf” file : “ zone "n1.example.com" { type master ; file "/mnt/vol/v1/ etc/bind/zones/db.example.com" ; allow-query { any; } ; serial- update-method unixtime ; key-directory "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/ keys" ; dnssec-policy opPolicy ; inline-signing yes ; notify no ; }; ” (remove quote symbols) . We allowed query from anyone . By the way, i also have a sub-domain zone declared in “named.local.conf” file as zone : “ zone "ns.example.com" { … }; ” , nearly same as “example.com”.

• The "named.conf.options" file has “dnssec-policy "opPolicy" { ... };”  , "options { ... };" , "logging { ... };" sections/declarations . Logging uses the server's "/var/log/ named" dir ( into "Update_Debug.log" , "Security.log" , "BIND.log" files ).

• The “options { … };” in “named.conf.options” file :  “ options { recursion yes ; allow-recursion { LocalHostR; } ; allow-query- cache { LocalHostR; } ;allow-query-cache-on { LocalHostR; } ; allow-query { LocalHostR; } ; allow-recursion-on { LocalHostR; } ; empty-zones-enable yes ; blackhole { BlockedNets; } ; allow- transfer { none; } ; auth-nxdomain no ; listen-on { N1-IPv4; LocalHostRv4; } ; listen-on-v6 { N1-IPv6; LocalHostRv6; }; rate- limit { ... }; }; ” (remove quote symbols). We restricted recursion by allowing only LocalHostR, not external, not BlockedNets.

• DNS server, for non-dnssec part of DNS related queries & responses for domain(s), IPv4-adrs, IPv6-adrs, etc (forward lookup/ resolve , subnet IP-adrs reverse resolve/lookup ) WORKING FINE , from n1 & n2 & n3 . Authoritative mode is working for my domains . And "localhost" inside server can also provide website- name/domain- name To IP-address resolve response, to the the local software/ daemons/clients that are running inside server.

• To ENABLE DNSSEC : i add "dnssec-validation auto;" inside "options" inside "named.conf.options" file , i add "key-directory "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/n1/keys" ; inline-signing yes;" in "zone "example.com" { ... };" in "named.conf.local" file, etc , ( changed the "n1" into "n2" for "n2" server, & similarly in n3. )

• For "dnssec-policy" directive about KSK & ZSK cert+key creation, usage period, signing, validity, verification, etc , i'm using shorter TTL period, etc , so-that dnssec/dns config lines can be changed+applied quickly during DNSSEC setup phase : dnssec-policy "opPolicy" {  ksk lifetime P88D algorithm RSASHA256 ;  zsk lifetime 22D algorithm RSASHA256 ; dnskey-ttl PT10M ;  publish-safety P2D ;  retire-safety P3D ;  purge-keys P3D ; signatures-refresh P5D ;  signatures-validity P10D ;  signatures-validity-dnskey P11D ; max-zone-ttl PT30M ;  zone-propagation-delay PT1H ;  parent- ds-ttl PT1H ;  parent-propagation-delay PT1H ; nsec3param iterations 0 optout yes salt-length 0 ;  };


Now finally into the

QUESTIONS:

• How can i create 1 KSK key ( in "n1" server first ), for a (single) domain ("example.com") and get the DS code from KSK key and add that 1 DS in domain-provider ( to send to the TLD ), & configure other 2 nameservers ( n2 , n3 ) to use that 1 DS record from TLD & use that same/common 1 KSK file from the synced/ replicated directory, while "type master;" is set for my domain/ zone in each nameserver ?

( Using 3 KSK & their 3 DS in domain-provider did not work, created error indicators in DNSViz & in "DNSSEC- Annalyzer.VerisignLabs” test sites, when each nameserver used separate directories, files, etc.

• if i specify same/COMMON (replicated) dir "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/ bind/ keys" & "/mnt/vol/v1/etc/bind/zones/zonename" inside 3 nameserver's “named.conf.local” file domains/zones , Can BIND DNS server add their own RRSIG response/lines for DNS records (into same zone file) without removing earlier or other nameserver's RRSIG lines (unless related ZSK key/period expired) ?

• How do i disable/clean/move/backup earlier DNSSEC keys/usages, & setup DNSSEC completely as anew . ( Our zone TTLs are short 7m to 1h , (during setup/test phase) , So within 7m to an hour, all older-records should be discarded from caches. )


Thanks in advance for helpful responses.

Erik.

Erik T Ashfolk.



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