Dear all,
I received a lot of e-mails from lists.isc.org mailing lists directly in
Junk/SPAM folder, impossible to change, it is forced.
It is possible to solve it?
I send you a recent mail log with DKIM error to see the problem.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Neustradamus
________________________________________
From: bind-users <[email protected]> on behalf of Dan Mahoney
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2025 22:37
To: Alessandro Vesely
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: bind-users mailing list desn't manage DMARC
> On Dec 21, 2025, at 11:48 AM, Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sun 21/Dec/2025 20:22:56 +0100 tale via bind-users wrote:
>> On Wed 03/Dec/2025 04:04:17 +0100 tale via bind-users wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 5:26 AM Dan Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
Please stop.
If your messages are getting through (no matter that, at this point, the
headers are already way more bloated than the message body), then things are
working as intended. If you're getting blowback messages to your RUA/RUF
addresses, that is a datapoint, and is part of the experience. You will never
not get those because forwarding is still a thing and there are still broken
clients and always will be.
If you can point me at an actual problem, instead of just telling me how to run
our infrastructure, I invite you to contact me privately, and stop wasting the
time of the people who are here to discuss the actual DNS software or protocols
that this list is for.
If your messages are being discarded, then maybe you're seeing some of the
inherent flaws in a system that was built while ignoring one of the most common
use cases out there at the time. (It's this. You're using it right now.)
SPF (with both TXT records, and SPF records) were flawed. SenderID (which
built on SPF) was flawed. Domainkeys were flawed. ADSP was flawed. DKIM was
flawed. DMARC remains flawed, and ARC has the "okay, people can arc-seal
things but how do we know we can trust that ARC seal?".
Well, we're a non-profit that runs critical internet infrastructure since
before Gmail was in beta (did it ever come out of beta?). If you can't trust
us, don't use our mailing lists, or our software.
And no matter what, scamming people is a billion dollar industry because the
MUA's, by default, still hide the fact that you have a FROM line like:
From: "Company President" <[email protected]>
Subject: I need you to buy gift cards as a treat for the company.
...and disable any critical thinking in the recipient because they just display
[Your Boss]
At this point, most people doing DMARC/DKIM are doing it so they can deliver to
Gmail and o365, who still are black boxes that break regularly -- and I know
there are some names on this list that I also see on the relevant lists related
to running mail servers, that are witnessing it first-hand.
-Dan
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Subject: Re: bind-users mailing list desn't manage DMARC
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