Maybe not as bad as that person, but 6 companies in 10 years? Not something to be proud of though :)
KOkon. On Aug 24, 2010 1:34 PM, "Lego Haryanto" <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh common, KOKon, you can't consider yourself a job hopper ... you even stayed with our beloved Gluon "sampe titik darah penghabisan" even when you could jump off at that time. > > Kalo gue rasanya capek ganti-ganti kerjaan, but that's just me. > > It's amazing that the guy can still have the job with that kind of track record, good for him. But I don't think that's a typical scenario. Probably fine kalo kerja kontrak, though. > > -Lego > > Fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge (Proverbs 1:7) > > > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Eko Prasetya <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Eko Prasetya <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BinusNet] Fwd: A brilliant interview..._Must Read! >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:29 AM >> Couldn't agree more, as a job hopper >> myself. >> >> >> >> KOkon. >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Nugroho Laison <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Don't miss last 2 Questions... >> > >> > Some, rather most organizations reject his CV today >> because he has changed >> > jobs frequently (10 in 14 years). My friend, the job >> hopper (referred here >> > as Mr. JH), does not mind it. well he does not need to >> mind it at all. >> > Having worked full-time with 10 employer companies in >> just 14 years gives >> > Mr. JH the relaxing edge that most of the company >> loyal employees are >> > struggling for today. Today, Mr. JH too is laid off >> like some other 14-15 >> > year experienced guys " the difference being the >> latter have just worked in >> > 2-3 organizations in the same number of years. Here >> are the excerpts of an >> > interview with Mr. JH: >> > >> > Q: Why have you changed 10 jobs in 14 years? >> > >> > A: To get financially sound and stable before getting >> laid off the second >> > time. >> > >> > Q: So you knew you would be laid off in the year >> 2009? >> > >> > A: Well I was laid off first in the year 2002 due to >> the first global >> > economic slowdown. I had not got a full-time job >> before January 2003 when >> > the economy started looking up; so I had struggled for >> almost a year without >> > job and with compromises. >> > >> > Q: Which number of job was that? >> > A: That was my third job. >> > >> > Q: So from Jan 2003 to Jan 2009, in 6 years, you have >> changed 8 jobs to >> > make the count as 10 jobs in 14 years? >> > >> > A: I had no other option. In my first 8 years of >> professional life, I had >> > worked only for 2 organizations thinking that jobs are >> deserved after lot of >> > hard work and one should stay with an employer company >> to justify the saying >> > employer loyalty. But I was an idiot. >> > >> > Q: Why do you say so? >> > >> > A: My salary in the first 8 years went up only >> marginally. I could not save >> > enough and also, I had thought that I had a >> permanent job, so I need not >> > worry about what will I do if I lose my job. I >> could never imagine losing >> > a job because of economic slowdown and not because of >> my performance. That >> > was January 2002. >> > >> > Q: Can you brief on what happened between January 2003 >> and 2009. >> > >> > A: Well, I had learnt my lessons of being company >> loyal and not money >> > earning and saving loyal. But then you can save >> enough only when you earn >> > enough. So I shifted my loyalty towards money making >> and saving " I changed >> > 8 jobs in 6 years assuring all my interviewers about >> my stability. >> > >> > Q: So you lied to your interviewers; you had already >> planned to change the >> > job for which you were being interviewed on a >> particular day? >> > >> > A: Yes, you can change jobs only when the market is up >> and companies are >> > hiring. You tell me " can I get a job now because of >> the slowdown? No. So >> > one should change jobs for higher salaries only when >> the market is up >> > because that is the only time when companies hire and >> can afford the >> > expected salaries. >> > >> > Q: What have you gained by doing such things? >> > >> > A: That's the question I was waiting for. In Jan 2003, >> I had a fixed salary >> > (without variables) of say Rs. X p.a. In January 2009, >> my salary was 8X. So >> > assuming my salary was Rs.3 lakh p.a. in Jan 2003, my >> last drawn salary in >> > Jan 2009 was Rs.24 lakh p.a. (without variable). I >> never bothered about >> > variable as I had no intention to stay for 1 year and >> go through the >> > appraisal process to wait for the company to give me a >> hike. >> > >> > Q: So you decided on your own hike? >> > >> > A: Yes, in 2003, I could see the slowdown coming again >> in future like it >> > had happened in 2001-02. Though I was not sure by when >> the next slowdown >> > would come, I was pretty sure I wanted a >> debt-free life before being laid >> > off again. So I planned my hike targets on a yearly >> basis without waiting >> > for the year to complete. >> > >> > Q: So are you debt-free now? >> > >> > A: Yes, I earned so much by virtue of job changes for >> money and spent so >> > little that today I have a loan free 2 BR flat (1200 >> sq.. feet) plus a loan >> > free big car without bothering about any EMIs. I am >> laid off too but I do >> > not complain at all. If I have laid off companies for >> money, it is OK if a >> > company lays me off because of lack of money. >> > >> > Q: Who is complaining? >> > >> > A: All those guys who are not getting a job to pay >> their EMIs off are >> > complaining. They had made fun of me saying I am a job >> hopper and do not >> > have any company loyalty. Now I ask them what they >> gained by their company >> > loyalty; they too are laid off like me and pass >> comments to me " why will >> > you bother about us, you are already debt-free. They >> were still in the >> > bracket of 12-14 lakh p.a. when they were laid off. >> > >> > Q: What is your advice to professionals? >> > >> > A: Like Narayan Murthy had said " love your job and >> not your company >> > because you never know when your company will stop >> loving you. In the same >> > lines, love yourself and your family needs more than >> the company's needs. >> > Companies can keep coming and going; family will >> always remain the same. >> > Make money for yourself first and simultaneously make >> money for the company, >> > not the other way around. >> > >> > Q: What is your biggest pain point with companies? >> > >> > A: When a company does well, its CEO will address the >> entire company >> > saying, well done guys, it is YOUR company, keep up >> the hard work, I am >> > with you. But when the slowdown happens and the >> company does not do so well, >> > the same CEO will say, It is MY company and to save >> the company, I have to >> > take tough decisions including asking people to go. 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