On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Leonardo Collado Torres wrote:
Hello,

Thank you everyone for the replies and help!

I did not know that it was due to S4Vectors::extractROWS nor what
Hervé exposed about the upcoming changes to them.

Regarding "probably it is not desirable to move packages from loaded
to attached, but I don't think this influences performance in a
meaningful way?", I think that it doesn't. I was just surprised to see
the change since I thought that I was correctly specifying the
namespace.

As for "But what's with needing to load IRanges to subset an Rle? Is
that temporary?", the real use case is the function fstats.apply()
located here 
https://github.com/lcolladotor/derfinderHelper/blob/master/R/fstats.apply.R
It basically takes as input a DataFrame where each column is a
coverage Rle and calculates some statistics with it. The function has
three methods implemented: one in Rle world that is slow with large
samples data sets, another one that involves coercion to a regular
matrix object and a third one that involves coercing to a
Matrix::sparseMatrix object this is faster and less memory intensive.
It is for this last one that I use the mapply() call (see
https://github.com/lcolladotor/derfinderHelper/blob/master/R/fstats.apply.R#L184
). I guess that .transformSparseMatrix() could probably be made more
efficient but I haven't explored how to do so any further.

Going back to the namespace, I thought that it was considered a best
practice to just import the functions/methods needed. That's why I try
to have specific imports (using roxygen2). For instance, for
fstats.apply() I use the following roxygen2 tags:

#' @importFrom S4Vectors Rle
#' @importMethodsFrom S4Vectors as.numeric
#' @importMethodsFrom IRanges as.data.frame as.matrix Reduce ncol nrow which '['
#' @importFrom Matrix sparseMatrix
#' @importMethodsFrom Matrix '%*%' drop

I can see in some BioC packages the namespace uses specific imports
and others where they import the full package.

Honestly I don't know why so many BioC packages do that. But it seems
to be a strong trend. IMHO it's a lot of work for very little benefits.
Doesn't seem to make a big difference from a loading time perspective.
However it makes the NAMESPACE big and adds some unnecessary overhead
to the overall maintainability of the package. For example, when some
low-level functionality moves from one package to the other (like it
happened recently with the Rle class), then all the BioC packages that
selectively import stuff from IRanges need to have their NAMESPACE
fixed.

I've heard some people claiming they do it to minimize the risk of a
name collision. Fair enough. But name collisions are pretty rare.
A simple and straightforward approach is to import full packages
until a name collision issue actually happens. For most packages,
it will never happen. But if it happens, you'll get a warning at
both: installation- and load-time, so you can't miss it. Then you can
adjust the NAMESPACE by selectively importing from one of the 2
packages involved in the collision.

The selective imports is sometimes pushed to the extreme: I've seen
BioC packages trying to selectively import stuff from the methods
package! There is probably zero benefit in doing this, only maintenance
complications in the long run... Also I think I remember reading
somewhere (R-devel list? R official doc? Can't remember exactly)
that packages are not supposed to do that.

My 2 cents. I'm sure not everybody will agree with this.

H.

Should I stop doing so
and just import the full packages? That is:

#' @import IRanges Matrix S4Vectors

It would go from around 4 secs to around 6 secs to load the tiny package.


In my use case, I shipped fstats.apply() to a tiny package containing
just the function for using a Snow-based BiocParallel::blapply(). The
original package would take too long to load (around 40 secs, it used
to import a total of 18 packages) and this has a very large impact
compared to used a multicore-based blapply(). However, the Snow-based
version uses significantly less memory.



Thank you,
Leo













On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Hervé Pagès <hpa...@fhcrc.org> wrote:
Hi guys,


On 07/08/2014 05:29 AM, Michael Lawrence wrote:

This is why I tell people not to use require(). But what's with needing to
load IRanges to subset an Rle? Is that temporary?


Very temporary. The source code of the "extractROWS" and "replaceROWS"
methods for Rle objects actually contains the following comment:

   ## FIXME: Right now, the subscript 'i' is turned into an IRanges
   ## object so we need stuff that lives in the IRanges package for this
   ## to work. This is ugly/hacky and needs to be fixed (thru a redesign
   ## of this method).
   if (!suppressWarnings(require(IRanges, quietly=TRUE)))
     stop(...)
   ...

I introduced this hack last week when I moved the Rle code from IRanges
to S4Vectors. It's temporary. The 2 methods need to be refactored which
I'm planning to do this week.

Cheers,
H.



Limiting imports is unlikely to reduce loading time. It may actually
increase it. There are good reasons for it though.



On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Martin Morgan <mtmor...@fhcrc.org> wrote:

Hi Leonardo --


On 07/07/2014 03:27 PM, Leonardo Collado Torres wrote:

Hello BioC-devel list,

I am currently confused on a namespace issue which I haven't been able
to solve. To reproduce this, I made the simplest example I thought of.


Step 1: make some toy data and save it on your desktop

library(IRanges)
DF <- DataFrame(x = Rle(0, 10), y = Rle(1, 10))
save(DF, file="~/Desktop/DF.Rdata")

Step 2: install the toy package on R 3.1.x

library(devtools)
install_github("lcolladotor/fooPkg")
# Note that it passes R CMD check

Step 3: on a new R session run

example("foo", "fooPkg")
# Change the location of DF.Rdata if necessary


You will see that when running the example, the session information is
printed listing:

other attached packages:
[1] fooPkg_0.0.1

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] BiocGenerics_0.11.3 IRanges_1.99.17     parallel_3.1.0
S4Vectors_0.1.0     stats4_3.1.0        tools_3.1.0


Then the message for loading IRanges is showed, which is something I
was not expecting and thus the following session info shows:

other attached packages:
[1] IRanges_1.99.17     S4Vectors_0.1.0     BiocGenerics_0.11.3
fooPkg_0.0.1

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] stats4_3.1.0 tools_3.1.0

Meaning that IRanges, S4Vectors and BiocGenerics all went from "loaded
via a namespace" to "other attached packages".



All the fooPkg::foo() is doing is using a mapply() to go through a
DataFrame and a list of indices to subset the data as shown at
https://github.com/lcolladotor/fooPkg/blob/master/R/foo.R#L26 That is:

res <- mapply(function(x, y) { x[y] }, DF, index)

I thus thought that the only thing I would need to specify on the
namespace is to import the '[' IRanges method.

Checking with BiocCheck and codetoolsBioC suggests importing the
method for mapply() from BiocGenerics. Doing so doesn't affect things
and R still loads IRanges on that mapply() call. Importing the '['
method from S4Vectors doesn't help either. Most intriging, importing
the whole S4Vectors, BiocGenerics and IRanges still doesn't change the
fact that IRanges is loaded when evaluating the same line of code
shown above.

Any clues on what I am missing or doing wrong?


This comes from S4Vectors::extractROWS

selectMethod(extractROWS, c("Rle", "integer"))

Method Definition:

function (x, i)
{
      if (!suppressWarnings(require(IRanges, quietly = TRUE)))
          stop("Couldn't load the IRanges package. You need to install ",
              "the IRanges\n  package in order to subset an Rle object.")

...

which moves the IRanges package from loaded to attached. Maybe that
should
be 'suppressPackageStartupMessages' or if (!IRanges %in%
loadedNamespaces()) and functions referenced by IRanges:::...






In my use case, I'm trying to keep the namespace as small as possible
(to minimize loading time) because it's for a tiny package that has a
single function. This tiny package is then loaded on a
BiocParallel::blapply() call using BiocParallel::SnowParam() which
performs much better than BiocParallel::MulticoreParam() in terms of
keeping the memory under control.


probably it is not desirable to move packages from loaded to attached,
but
I don't think this influences performance in a meaningful way?

Martin






Thank you for your help!
Leo

Leonardo Collado Torres, PhD student
Department of Biostatistics
Johns Hopkins University
Bloomberg School of Public Health
Website: http://www.biostat.jhsph.edu/~lcollado/
Blog: http://lcolladotor.github.io/











Full output from running the example:




   example("foo", "fooPkg")



foo> ## Initial info
foo> sessionInfo()
R version 3.1.0 (2014-04-10)
Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0 (64-bit)

locale:
[1] en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/C/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8

attached base packages:
[1] stats     graphics  grDevices utils     datasets  methods   base

other attached packages:
[1] fooPkg_0.0.1

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] BiocGenerics_0.11.3 IRanges_1.99.17     parallel_3.1.0
S4Vectors_0.1.0     stats4_3.1.0        tools_3.1.0

foo> ## Load data
foo> load("~/Desktop/DF.Rdata")

foo> ## Run function
foo> result <- foo(DF)
R version 3.1.0 (2014-04-10)
Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0 (64-bit)

locale:
[1] en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/C/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8

attached base packages:
[1] stats     graphics  grDevices utils     datasets  methods   base

other attached packages:
[1] fooPkg_0.0.1

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] BiocGenerics_0.11.3 IRanges_1.99.17     parallel_3.1.0
S4Vectors_0.1.0     stats4_3.1.0        tools_3.1.0
Loading required package: parallel

Attaching package: ‘BiocGenerics’

The following objects are masked from ‘package:parallel’:


       clusterApply, clusterApplyLB, clusterCall, clusterEvalQ,
clusterExport, clusterMap, parApply, parCapply, parLapply,
       parLapplyLB, parRapply, parSapply, parSapplyLB

The following object is masked from ‘package:stats’:

       xtabs

The following objects are masked from ‘package:base’:


       anyDuplicated, append, as.data.frame, as.vector, cbind, colnames,
do.call, duplicated, eval, evalq, Filter, Find, get,
       intersect, is.unsorted, lapply, Map, mapply, match, mget, order,
paste, pmax, pmax.int, pmin, pmin.int, Position, rank,
       rbind, Reduce, rep.int, rownames, sapply, setdiff, sort, table,
tapply, union, unique, unlist

R version 3.1.0 (2014-04-10)
Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0 (64-bit)

locale:
[1] en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/C/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8

attached base packages:
[1] parallel  stats     graphics  grDevices utils     datasets
methods   base

other attached packages:
[1] IRanges_1.99.17     S4Vectors_0.1.0     BiocGenerics_0.11.3
fooPkg_0.0.1

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] stats4_3.1.0 tools_3.1.0





The same thing happens with the following setup:

R version 3.1.1 RC (2014-07-07 r66083)
Platform: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu (64-bit)

locale:
    [1] LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8       LC_NUMERIC=C
    [3] LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8        LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
    [5] LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8    LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
    [7] LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8       LC_NAME=C
    [9] LC_ADDRESS=C               LC_TELEPHONE=C
[11] LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=C

attached base packages:
[1] parallel  stats     graphics  grDevices datasets  utils     methods
[8] base

other attached packages:
[1] IRanges_1.99.17     S4Vectors_0.1.0     BiocGenerics_0.11.3
[4] fooPkg_0.0.1        colorout_1.0-2

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] stats4_3.1.1 tools_3.1.1

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