>> ObjectiveC  ? WinRT ? Rust etc etc   Whats deadly   Most C programmers
>> think 15%  , but this is not relevant as we can apply further optomization.
>>
>
> But that's my point. 15% (in concurrent it's *much* more than that)
> really *isn't* okay, and so you *need* those optimizations.
>

Im going to let this die  because some Nursery designs ( like URC)  can
have no header  ( im thinking small 1 word messages and commands passing
through a nursery with very low costs is very attractive for some systems)
... but my point is not what we can do  or need as it applies to both ( and
will be applied )  ,  but reference counting penalty in C++ is much lower
 ( even if dog slow )  than basic reference counting in Java  . Why ? is it
because of the header java vs the fat pointer  .

Ben
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