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On 08/04/2015 08:12 PM, Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev > <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: > > I would say that things already demonstrately got terrible. The > mining landscape is very centralized, with apparently a majority > depending on agreements to trust each other's announced blocks > without validation. > > And that is a problem... why? > > As far as I can tell, [snip] It's a big problem. What are you dismissing it for? With Bitcoin in fledgling 0.x version state this is neither desirable nor encouraging. Development did not freeze at some time in the past and now we see how the userbase reacts. Miners, btw, are arguibly still a class of user as long as they are guaranteed coinbase. When they start making and proving themselves useful in a free floating fee market absent coinbase subsidy, we can revisit this topic, with the benefit of hindsight. > As Bitcoin grows, pieces of the ecosystem will specialize. > Satoshi's original code did everything: hashing, block assembly, > wallet, consensus, network. That is changing, and that is OK. [snip] > > And I think the current "demonstrably terrible" Bitcoin system is > still INCREDIBLY interesting. > Pieter never said it wasn't interesting, so this emphatic statement is strange - like someone is trying to convince an audience - but anyway... as you, a veritable spring-chicken by your actions and words, said the other day: having graduated in '88 you're "old" and speak from experience. Don't come with that jive, bossy man - bring facts and testing to the technical list. My finance readers, in one camp, and Bitcoin investors, in the other, want to see the XT 8MB hard-fork testing data that you mentioned for BIP100. "Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn." - - Benjamin Franklin > -- -- Gavin Andresen > Venzen Khaosan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVwMyOAAoJEGwAhlQc8H1mho4IAKEHVxE4lAs3aIoLXa2fxLP8 3q7MhfM5vIW9QAM7rjz8YzheMg3Wj2CNfZPuUV7YDTVrLZPrIN/aMY6CIftr7GUS pjMI9nnwezFwYX5oyRU+gW51AMFhvexV6ITZYpiLRtWHgK1FZtXWMG13eO/6Jb5U Wjflub7suMDvg+ST2PplhQf7fFmnPHrLZg3ISDqK+hvgw20geW1rXC/wCChlewfd DqSt9fxqs+NIvbIzS2TgLTkIcHlbKNeI5AeqbaFoaIQtvYALD3Ojt2I/qoCJU1za rB8Il7UK0B5uf6xxgErGcYAHzjVpR6Zhsdzo6MiBF1j4ClfNPEQAlG49YjrRXpI= =4nai -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
