All of that only melds with the payment protocol under an extremely expansive definition of "payment." The payment protocol is really geared towards a direct one-to-one relationship.
We can make the payment protocol do all this, if you squeeze and push and try reall hard; it is mainly a question of protocol design and intended usage: is PP intended to be, ultimately, an expansive, universal protocol for gossiping with other parties about bitcoin transactions in a not-flood-fill manner? On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Alan Reiner <etothe...@gmail.com> wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, the way forward is to scrap BIP 10 and build up > something new that is flexible and extensible. Also, my understanding is > that there may be room in the payment protocol for this stuff though I'm not > sure if it is really adapted well to all the steps: exchanging public keys, > creating multi-sig/P2SH addresses, proposing multi-sig spends, bundling > meta-data needed for lite/offline nodes, aggregating signatures, and any > other details. > > When I start multisig integration into Armory (very soon!) I'll write a list > of requirements for the new format/process and post it here for a wider > discussion. Certainly, if the payment protocol can already handle all this, > that would be awesome. > > -Alan > > > On 03/10/2014 08:04 PM, kjj wrote: > > I was trying to use bip10 for multisig and coinjoin, but there was a problem > with it. I'll have to look back at my notes, but I thought I sent you a > message about it. And then real life swallowed my bitcoin time... > > I think the bottom line was that it would be useful in the generic case with > just one minor change. If there is interest, and it sounds like there just > may be, I can dust off my notes and see where I left it. Probably should do > it soon before someone implements it in PB or XML. > > Alan Reiner wrote: > > Then of course I tried to do this with BIP 10 when Armory implemented > offline-transactions two years ago. I got some positive feedback, but no > one wanted to help improve it, etc. I guess nobody else was doing it and/or > cared at the time. So I continue to use BIP 10 even though it's pretty > crappy. I wanted it to be useful for multisig, too, but it has some > deficiencies there (it was done when Armory was extremely young and OP_EVAL > was still on the table). > > However, with all this activity, we should start thinking about that and > discussing it. Otherwise, I'll just do my own thing again and probably end > up with something that fits my own needs, but not anyone else's. Really > though, multisig shouldn't require all the same app to work. > > -Alan > > > On 03/10/2014 01:49 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote: > > In my experience, best process for standardizing something is: > > 1) Somebody has a great idea > 2) They implement it > 3) Everybody agrees, "Great idea!" and they copy it. > 4) Idea gets refined by the people copying it. > 5) It gets standardized. > > Mutisig wallets are at step 2 right now. BIP is step 5, in my humble > opinion... > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Drak <d...@zikula.org> wrote: >> >> I was wondering if there would be merit in a kind of BIP for a payment >> protocol using multisig? >> >> Currently, setting up a multisig is quite a feat. Users have to exchange >> public keys, work out how to get the public keys from their addresses. If >> one of the parties are not savvy enough, an malicious party could easily be >> setup that was 2 of 3 instead of 2 of 2 where the malicious party generates >> the multisig address+script and thus be able to run off with funds anyway. >> >> It's also terribly complex to generate and keep track of. There's been a >> nice attempt at creating an browser interface at coinb.in/multisig but it >> still lacks the kind of ease with created by the payment protocol. If there >> was a BIP then it would go a long way to aiding future usability of multisig >> wallet implementations. >> >> What are your thoughts? >> >> Drak >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their >> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, >> this first edition is now available. 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