On May 31, 2015 5:08 PM, "Gavin Andresen" <gavinandre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Jorge Timón <jti...@jtimon.cc> wrote: >> >> Whatever...let's use the current subsidies, the same argument applies, it's just 20 + 25 = 45 btc per block for miner B vs 27 btc for miner B. >> Miner B would still go out of business, bigger blocks still mean more mining and validation centralization > > Sorry, but that's ridiculous. > > If Miner B is leaving 18BTC per block on the table because they have bad connectivity, then they need to pay for better connectivity.
Well, I was assuming they just can't upgrade their connection (without moving thei operations to another place). Maybe that assumption is ridiculous as well. > If you are arguing "I should be able to mine on a 56K modem connection from the middle of the Sahara" then we're going to have to agree to disagree. No, I'm not suggesting that. > So: what is your specific proposal for minimum requirements for connectivity to run a full node? The 20MB number comes from estimating costs to run a full node, and as my back-and-forth to Chang Wung shows, the costs are not excessive. Well, you were I think assuming a new desktop connecting from somewhere in the US. I would be more confortable with an eee pc from a hotel in India, for example. But yeah, targeting some concrete minimum specs seems like the right approach for deciding "how far to go when increasing centralization". But "hitting the limit will be chaos" seems to imply that completely removing the consensus maximum blocksize is the only logical solution. What happens when we hit the limit next time? When do we stop kicking the can down the road? When do we voluntarily get that "chaos"? Again, "that's too far away in the future to worry about it" is not a very conving answer to me.
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