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1. smelly meat (Carol J. Elkins)
2. Re: Re: [blackbelly] (hlang)
3. RE: banding (Sue Miller)
4. Fw: [blackbelly] vaccinating & banding (christine handley)
5. RE:Taste/taste (Rick Krach)
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7. RE: sheep in china (William Buchanan)
8. RE: RE: banding (Johnson, Oneta)
9. Re: RE:Taste/taste (hlang)
10. Re: sheep in china (hlang)
11. Re: vaccinating & banding (Bobbie Johnson)
12. Re: vaccinating & banding (Carol J. Elkins)
13. Re: vaccinating & banding (hlang)
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I can only speak for my meat, but...
Blackbelly meat smells marvelous while it cooks, just like beef. I have cooked some Jacob lamb and noticed that it is pretty stinky, so I do have a basis of comparison.
Carol
At 09:55 AM 3/10/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Pardon my words but to my nose cooking woollies stinks. Has any body else had this problem? and do hair sheep have this same characteristic? I have a 8 month old ram were going to butcher but it the meat stinks to me to cook it I would rather put it into jerky. Any thoughts on this?????
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My experience, an older may 8 year old hair sheep ram is still with out any bad smell if :
No feed , only water is given for 4 days before slaughter. No ewes nearby. No transport or stress before butchering, Not to hang the carcass, butcher and cut, grind, excellent meat.
Australia has a different type of sheep than New Zealand, I could write you pages about that.
The Australian sheep are wool only and stink often time too long in freezers until they reach the States.
New Zealand sheep are selected for good meat flavour, and as we know the have success.See the money the Government invests yearly just to be sure, that the meat is top notch.
In the woollies there are goods and bads, but before to judge, we should have worked with the different breeds. England, what do they do to get a good meatlamb? They use in very large number Scottish stout fibre rams, similar to BB hybrids.
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> Greetings Everyone; > I have to say it's very interesting reading all the talk that's going on > now that spring is here. I do have a question for any or all on the list. > There has been talk about the difference between woollies and hair sheep > in the taste. I have tasted sheep from Australia that was purchased at > Costco (woollies meat was my guess) I am aware that home grown is > different that store processed. The meat was fine after it was cooked > but, I'm trying to think of a nice way to put this so I do not offend any > one. When I cooked the sheep meat it smelled so bad I couldn't stand to > be any where around it (the whole house) luckily we had a older mobile > home we weren't living in and I cooked it in there. My dog wouldn't even > go into the place, she would stop next to the porch and would NOT go any > farther, she would curl her nose up and show her smile, like Australian > shepherds do, and start blowing her nose. I have to say I felt the same > way. Pardon my words but to my nose cooking woollies stinks. Has any body > else had this problem? and do hair sheep have this same characteristic? I > have a 8 month old ram were going to butcher but it the meat stinks to me > to cook it I would rather put it into jerky. Any thoughts on this????? > Sandy > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > =============================================== > This message is from the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep mailing list (http://www.awrittenword.com/listserv/index.html). > To respond to this message, send e-mail to Blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net > To unsubscribe or change your membership options, go to http://lists.coyotenet.net/mailman/listinfo/blackbelly > To search the archives, go to http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net/
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Christine,
We just banded 2 ram lambs last night. The reason we banded these 2 at this time is because they are just young enough that we can't put them in with the falllambs for fear they would get pushed around by them, yet they are too old for the upcoming lambs that are starting to be born. Somewhere we had 2 ewes that were late getting bred and fell inbetween the rest of the herd. So to reduce the problem of them picking on the new lambs, we banded them. We also have a year old banded ram in with our main flock - he is headed for the butcher block here shortly. We had been told that banding them made them grow slower but this boy is pretty big. Another ram lamb that we banded fromthis same ewe dressed out at 75 lbs. when he was butchered. We raise these to sell but also to meat on our table. I absolutely REFUSE to pay what they want for beef right now so we have butchered a lot more sheep for ourselves this past 1/2 year!! Hope that helps some. Sue
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Okay, thanks for the response. The other part to the Q is: Do you normally vaccinate your ewes on a regular basis? Or do you vaccinate because you are banding (This is what my Vet has advised I should do). OR do any of you band and hope for the best (ie. no vacs). My vet said that just using a Tetanus toxoid shot is relativly usless, as it takes 10 days for it to take effect. .....What about using tetanus toxoid on day 4 and then banding on day 14? Or-- banding and giving a shot of Penicillin Procane G...supposedly good for infection and tetanus???
For those who have banded... what is your results concerning the health following....with and without vaccinating???
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> Open question, > > Is anybody banding their rams? I am considering this so that they may stay > with the herd longer, and to reduce fighting and head bashing among them. > > In connection with this , does anybody do an annual vaccination on the ewes. > Example "Covexin 8" . > This is what my vet has recommended I do, especially if I do band., but I > hesitate to use vaccines or other meds, unless absolutely necessary. > Any views? > > Chris H. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 08/22/2002 > > =============================================== > This message is from the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep mailing list (http://www.awrittenword.com/listserv/index.html). > To respond to this message, send e-mail to Blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net > To unsubscribe or change your membership options, go to http://lists.coyotenet.net/mailman/listinfo/blackbelly > To search the archives, go to http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net/ >
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Helmut, everyone loves lamb "chops" of any kind. This would not be a fair comparison, just rating the taste of chops! Besides, some people may not like Barbado chops just because they're soooo small. When I butcher my Barbado, I don't even get chops. I just get tenderloin.
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Take Polypay, Romanov, or Eastfriesian ewe chop and in comparison a BB lamb chop.
Do a blind test, with people who are not knowing anything about hair sheep
or not.
Regards Helmut
Sandy, you are in for one fanstastic treat, because you are going to find a supreme difference in taste from the Costco, woolie lamb to the homegrown, hair-sheep lamb! No cooking smell and no disagreeable taste of any kind. My wife would never eat lamb in her life until she tasted our Barbado.
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Greetings Everyone; There has been talk about the difference between woollies and hair sheep in the taste. I have tasted sheep from Australia that was purchased at Costco (woollies meat was my guess) I am aware that home grown is different that store processed. The meat was fine after it was cooked but, I'm trying to think of a nice way to put this so I do not offend any one. When I cooked the sheep meat it smelled so bad I couldn't stand to be any where around it (the whole house) luckily we had a older mobile home we weren't living in and I cooked it in there. My dog wouldn't even go into the place, she would stop next to the porch and would NOT go any farther, she would curl her nose up and show her smile, like Australian shepherds do, and start blowing her nose. I have to say I felt the same way. Pardon my words but to my nose cooking woollies stinks. Has any body else had this problem? and do hair sheep have this same characteristic? I have a 8 month old ram were going to butcher but it the meat stinks to me to cook it I would rather put it into jerky. Any thoughts on this????? Sandy
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My ewes get the covexin-8 shot and hopefully
the lambs get tetnus protection thru the colostrum.
I band on day number three. The tail is still small
and the lambs seems to suffer little discomfort.
Testicles are banded between 10 days and three
weeks depending on the development to the lamb.
My sheep are crosses and some have long tails
at birth. Of course a true barb would not have to be
tail banded. Mona in Va.
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How does one acquire a Red Massai ram in the US?
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hlang Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:15 AM To: blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep in china
First question: What kind of carcass size do you need for you country ?
Propose Red Maasai, Sabi , sheep you find in Northern Angola to Tanzania. Meat of this kind of lamb is very different, as full blood too much meatmoisture. Bred to Katahadin or BB top notch meat.
Very hardy, drive well in cold as in hot temperature, used to mud and swampy fields.
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ok. I am the newby here as this is my first season for lambing. I know I will have to separate my lambs to keep from in breeding but what is this banding thing. I come from horse and cow background and we can band for castration. That does not sound like what is being done. Can someone enlighten me on the subject. Thanks oj
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Christine, We just banded 2 ram lambs last night. The reason we banded these 2 at this time is because they are just young enough that we can't put them in with the falllambs for fear they would get pushed around by them, yet they are too old for the upcoming lambs that are starting to be born. Somewhere we had 2 ewes that were late getting bred and fell inbetween the rest of the herd. So to reduce the problem of them picking on the new lambs, we banded them. We also have a year old banded ram in with our main flock - he is headed for the butcher block here shortly. We had been told that banding them made them grow slower but this boy is pretty big. Another ram lamb that
we banded fromthis same ewe dressed out at 75 lbs. when he was butchered. We
raise these to sell but also to meat on our table. I absolutely REFUSE to pay what they want for beef right now so we have butchered a lot more sheep for ourselves this past 1/2 year!! Hope that helps some. Sue
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Rick,
it is the flavour which makes the decision. Our BB have the top notch chops, larger than Suffolk. Did anybody of you select towards large chops ?
Why is lamb meat in Iceland in such a big demand ?Because of the quality of lamb meat they have.
In a all the meat test we have had, roasts, sausages ( we produce large amount of sausages, there is a good market) tested.
If you produce in range of 6000 lambs a year and 100 % hairs sheep, lots of comparison.Weekly.
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> Helmut, everyone loves lamb "chops" of any kind. This would not be a fair > comparison, just rating the taste of chops! Besides, some people may not > like Barbado chops just because they're soooo small. When I butcher my > Barbado, I don't even get chops. I just get tenderloin. > > Rick Krach > Auburn CA 95602 > (530) 889-1488 > > >From: "hlang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:52:02 -0800 > > >Take Polypay, Romanov, or Eastfriesian ewe chop and in comparison a BB > >lamb chop. > >Do a blind test, with people who are not knowing anything about hair sheep > >or not. > > > >Regards Helmut > > > Sandy, you are in for one fanstastic treat, because you are going to find a > supreme difference in taste from the Costco, woolie lamb to the homegrown, > hair-sheep lamb! No cooking smell and no disagreeable taste of any kind. My > wife would never eat lamb in her life until she tasted our Barbado. > Rick > > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:55:54 -0800 > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Greetings Everyone; > >There has been talk about the difference between woollies and hair sheep > >in the taste. I have tasted sheep from Australia that was purchased at > >Costco (woollies meat was my guess) I am aware that home grown is > >different that store processed. The meat was fine after it was cooked > >but, I'm trying to think of a nice way to put this so I do not offend any > >one. When I cooked the sheep meat it smelled so bad I couldn't stand to > >be any where around it (the whole house) luckily we had a older mobile > >home we weren't living in and I cooked it in there. My dog wouldn't even > >go into the place, she would stop next to the porch and would NOT go any > >farther, she would curl her nose up and show her smile, like Australian > >shepherds do, and start blowing her nose. I have to say I felt the same > >way. Pardon my words but to my nose cooking woollies stinks. Has any body > >else had this problem? and do hair sheep have this same characteristic? I > >have a 8 month old ram were going to butcher but it the meat stinks to me > >to cook it I would rather put it into jerky. Any thoughts on this????? > >Sandy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > =============================================== > This message is from the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep mailing list (http://www.awrittenword.com/listserv/index.html). > To respond to this message, send e-mail to Blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net > To unsubscribe or change your membership options, go to http://lists.coyotenet.net/mailman/listinfo/blackbelly > To search the archives, go to http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net/
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Borders are closed to US, in the moment you are not able to import from anywhere.Canadian border may open in a 3 weeks.
Mexico imported a three shiploads, over 30 000 heads of live sheep with African background, all breedingstock.
China, imported by air plane large numbers of african sheep with out too many hassle,this was ten years ago. Low cost management. At the same time we have had sheep in Africa in quarantine and very high expenses.
Yesterday I got a letter, that the first shipment of expensive African lamb meat went to Saudi Arabia and the Arabs are pleased. African hair sheep production out of China .
Regards Helmut
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> How does one acquire a Red Massai ram in the US? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hlang > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:15 AM > To: blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net > Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep in china > > First question: > What kind of carcass size do you need for you country ? > > Propose Red Maasai, Sabi , sheep you find in Northern Angola to > Tanzania. > Meat of this kind of lamb is very different, as full blood too much > meatmoisture. > Bred to Katahadin or BB top notch meat. > > Very hardy, drive well in cold as in hot temperature, used to mud and > swampy > fields. > > Best regards > Helmut > > > > =============================================== > This message is from the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep mailing list (http://www.awrittenword.com/listserv/index.html). > To respond to this message, send e-mail to Blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net > To unsubscribe or change your membership options, go to http://lists.coyotenet.net/mailman/listinfo/blackbelly > To search the archives, go to http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net/
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I don't vaccinate or worm for anything. I have pretty "closed" flock, with no new comers for some time. So I my flock isn't exposed to outside diseases. I did get sore mouth from the one new ewe I got last year.
I do band if I plan on keeping a ram lamb for more than 8 months or if someone buys one for a pet. I will not knowingly sell an intact ram lamb for a pet.I usually butcher at 8 months. I have Ghost, he is dangerous for the kids. I only band for my kids safety.
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Hi Chris,
I don't think you were necessarily asking for opinions about whether or not to band, but that has never stopped me from offering one <g>.
Unless one plans on keeping wethers long-term in their flock for some reason (like using for dog trialing) or have a market for pet wethers, I can't find any reason to put a ram lamb through the trauma. If the ram lamb is destined for the freezer, then keep him in an area apart from the ewes and let him grow to butchering weight with his testicles intact.
The biggest mistake that hair sheep breeders make, in my opinion, is treating their sheep like woolies. We have a unique sheep that requires a very different kind of husbandry than wool sheep. This listserv can help readers learn those differences and increase the pleasure in raising sheep the easy way.
Carol
At 11:03 PM 3/9/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Open question,
Is anybody banding their rams? I am considering this so that they may stay with the herd longer, and to reduce fighting and head bashing among them.
Carol Elkins Critterhaven Estate Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep
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And when we come back to meat flavour, intake ram lambs have the better taste.
In Australia is a large hair sheep production on its way, and the ranches have up to a 50 000 sheep. Not one ram lamb gets castrated, and as in our production, ram lambs are kept in the flock until age of 2 to 4 months and go of the flock directly to butcher. No weaning or castrating !
In countries with hair sheep production, neutered lambs achieve a lower price. Our buyers for the ethnic groups take only intact rams, we have no sales of ewelambs to Moslems !
regards Helmut Mabel Lake Road 2041 Lumby,BC Canada VOE-2G6 250 547 6253 http://www.damaradorperinwesterncanada.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] vaccinating & banding
> Hi Chris, > > I don't think you were necessarily asking for opinions about whether or not > to band, but that has never stopped me from offering one <g>. > > Unless one plans on keeping wethers long-term in their flock for some > reason (like using for dog trialing) or have a market for pet wethers, I > can't find any reason to put a ram lamb through the trauma. If the ram lamb > is destined for the freezer, then keep him in an area apart from the ewes > and let him grow to butchering weight with his testicles intact. > > The biggest mistake that hair sheep breeders make, in my opinion, is > treating their sheep like woolies. We have a unique sheep that requires a > very different kind of husbandry than wool sheep. This listserv can help > readers learn those differences and increase the pleasure in raising sheep > the easy way. > > Carol > > At 11:03 PM 3/9/2004 -0800, you wrote: > >Open question, > > > >Is anybody banding their rams? I am considering this so that they may stay > >with the herd longer, and to reduce fighting and head bashing among them. > > Carol Elkins > Critterhaven Estate > Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep > (no shear, no dock, no fuss) > Pueblo, Colorado > http://www.critterhaven.biz > T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the > Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep > > =============================================== > This message is from the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep mailing list (http://www.awrittenword.com/listserv/index.html). > To respond to this message, send e-mail to Blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net > To unsubscribe or change your membership options, go to http://lists.coyotenet.net/mailman/listinfo/blackbelly > To search the archives, go to http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net/
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