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Diana, Thanks for the links to some very interesting articles on control of internal parasites. Susan Anderson
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I have found that a chronic cough is most generally a sign of lung worms or feed that is chopped extremely fine such as corn chops.If the corn is ground really fine, the dust in the corn will cause them to cough after eating.If the cough is all the time and not just around dinner time, my first thought would be to check for lung worm.
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One of my sheep is coughing, but it's not a consistent cough. One other sheep was coughing quite a bit before her, but she stopped. They are all looking very healthy. My thought it was the dust, it is very dry here on our place. Sandy
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I am looking for some help with our ewe. She lambed two days ago in the evening. We put Mama and baby ( a strong healthy guy) in the lambing jug then in the morning she had what seemed afterbirth hanging out still. We gave some gentle tugs but it did not come. We called the vet and they said to wait and it should come by itself. The next day it was still there, the vet gave us antibiotics and we began to think she might have a lamb still in there. Next day, she was off her feed and would not let her lamb nurse anymore. She seemed very sick and listless. It seems there is a lamb still in her at least we can feel a mass in her belly. We went in to feel around but the cervix was so tight and closed we could not get a hand in to feel for a lamb. We were able to gently work the cervix to get all 5 fingers in but after over an hour were not able to get a fist through. She seemed to be in so much pain we stopped trying.
So is there anything else we can do or does she need to be put down? Is there anything else that could cause her to act so sick? We have never had anything like this before. The vet is not very helpful, their first interest is cattle in this part of the country.
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Chris:
Sounds like you definitely have a lamb left there. There is a shot you can
give to cause labor pains. I do not know what the name is, but it is the same
for cattle. Your vet should have it. This should enlarge the cervix, if not
there are some drugs that will relax the cervix. Again, your vet should be
able to help. If not, find another vet sympathetic to sheep. A lot of times a
small animal vet will be more help than a large with sheep. You need to act
fast, as toxins are building and she will not last long. Try an emergency vet
clinic if possib le.
If you can get her cervix relaxed, you will have to reach in there and get
the lamb. You will have to know a little anatomy by feel, and it helps to have
small hands.
Cecil Bearden
Piedmont, OKla
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We have a trip from Missouri to Illinois, to Indiana, to Ohio, with a return to Missouri scheduled for July 27. Room available on the return.
We have a trip from Missouri to Illinois, to Indiana, to Ohio, with a return to Arkansas to Kansas to Colorado to Oklahoma to Kansas to Missouri scheduled for July 31. Room is available for riders.
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The medicine to make her go back into labor and push everything out is
'oxytocin' - they use this on cattle all the time and the vet should have given this
to her immediately when she had not passed that afterbirth after a couple of
hours. If you are successful in getting the other baby out, she then needs
heavy antibotics both systematically and infused into her cervix
(oxytetracycline (sp?) ) is excellent for this infusion. You use a large syringe with a
'straw' made to go on the end of the syringe - again, this is done in cattle all
the time and your vet should do this and/or show you how to do it. Doing it
one time will not be enough, it will have to be done over several days, every
day.
The next thing I would suggest is to get a new vet.
good luck!!
Onalee
In a message dated 7/22/2004 11:40:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris: Sounds like you definitely have a lamb left there. There is a shot you can give to cause labor pains. I do not know what the name is, but it is the same for cattle. Your vet should have it. This should enlarge the cervix, if not there are some drugs that will relax the cervix. Again, your vet should be able to help. If not, find another vet sympathetic to sheep. A lot of times a small animal vet will be more help than a large with sheep. You need to act fast, as toxins are building and she will not last long. Try an emergency vet clinic if possib le.
If you can get her cervix relaxed, you will have to reach in there and get the lamb. You will have to know a little anatomy by feel, and it helps to have small hands.
Cecil Bearden
Piedmont, OKla
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We have a small herd of ewes and would like to breed them.This would be our 1st attempt.We plan to bring over a stud.When is the best time?Spring?Fall? Would leaving the male visitor for a week be enough time?Thanks.
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I have an BBB ewe with the same chronic cough. She also in healthy, eating well, and average weight.
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Dear Friend.
I am Mr Joseph Mbosowo the eldest son of Mr Edward Mbosowo from Sierra Leone. I am writing you in absolute confidence primarily to seek your assistance to transfer our cash of Twenty five Million and five hundred thousand Dollars ($25,500.000.00) now in the custody of a private Security trust firm in Europe the money is in trunk boxes deposited and declared as Precious stones by my late father as a matter of fact the company does not know the content as money, although my Father made them to understand that the boxes belongs to his foreign partner.
Source of the money:
My late Father Chief Michael Mbosowo is a native of Mende tribe in the Northern province of Sierra Leone, was the General Manager of Sierra Leone Mining co-operation (S.L.M.C.) Freetown . According to my Father this money was the income accrued from Mining Co-operation's over draft and minor sales.
Before the peak of the civil war between the rebels forces of Major Paul Koroma and the combined forces of ECOMOG peace keeping operation that almost destroyed my country, following the forceful removal from power of the civilian elected President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah by the rebels. My Father had already made arrangement for his family to be evacuated to Ivory coast with the CERTIFICATE OF DEPOSIT he made with a security firm in Europe through the aid of U.N evacuation team.
During the war in my country and following the indiscriminate looting of Public and Government properties by the rebel forces, the Sierra Leone mining coop. Was one of the target looted and it was destroyed. My Father including other top Government functionaries were attacked and killed by the rebels in November 2000 because of his relationship with the civilian Government of Ahmed Tejan Kabbah.
As a result of my fathers death and with the information we got that the rebels are out for us the burden became too much for me to handle coupled with the ill health of my mother she died in the process as I could not afford her a decent medical care. The unrest in Ivory Coast and the threat from the rebels against our lifes,made us to be evacuated to Nederland last December where I and my family are seeking political asylum, we are at present in an asylum camp in a small village in Nederland(HOLLAND). Our only hope now is in you and the boxes deposited in the Security Firm To this effect, humbly solicit your assistance in the followings ways.
1. to assist me claim this boxes from the security Firm as our Foreign partner
2. to transfer this money (USD$25.5 M) in your name to your country
3. to make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on our behalf in your country and you, our Adviser/ Manager.
For your assistance, I have decided that 20% of the total amount will be
for your effort and another 5 % to cover all the expenses that may incur
during the business transaction, Last, I urge you to keep this transaction strictlyconfidential as no one knows our where
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May God bless you as you assist us.
Mr Joseph Mbosowo.
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Due to illness I must sell both my Barbados blackbelly sheep. One is a ewe 2yrs and 5 months and her son who is just about 8 months he is horned and has perfect markings. The ewe is marked well also. We must sell very soon. We would like to have $65.00 for the ewe and $85.00 for the ram. We are open to discussion. Please respond to me personally not thru the list.
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What is the best wormer for lung worm?
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Marsha Westerman
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oxytocin (hormone) ours is double strength and we give 1 - 1 1/2 cc to a 100 lb dog........it induces labor check with an animal doctor regular vet...It's for uterine inertia. I use it when I think there is still a pup in there. It can not be used when there is a pup still in the birth canal. I get my meds from a regular vet. I call her if I am in doubt. You should be able to find a vet who will work with you. I have seen our vet reach in and pull out a goat that was to big for a first time mamma. The osytocin causes labor. We are blessed with a local small animal vet who also does large animals, farm calls and has lots of experience.
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From: <mailto:blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net>blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:40:56 PM To: <mailto:blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net>blackbelly@lists.coyotenet.net Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sick mama ewe
Chris: Sounds like you definitely have a lamb left there. There is a shot you can give to cause labor pains. I do not know what the name is, but it is the same for cattle. Your vet should have it. This should enlarge the cervix, if not there are some drugs that will relax the cervix. Again, your vet should be able to help. If not, find another vet sympathetic to sheep. A lot of times a small animal vet will be more help than a large with sheep. You need to act fast, as toxins are building and she will not last long. Try an emergency vet clinic if possib le.
If you can get her cervix relaxed, you will have to reach in there and get the lamb. You will have to know a little anatomy by feel, and it helps to have small hands.
Cecil Bearden
Piedmont, OKla
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Hi Carlos,
Ewes cycle every 17 days. To ensure that a ewe is bred, it is a good idea to keep the ram in for at least 17 x 2 = 34 days. This way, if a ewe is just completing a cycle when you put in the ram, 17 days later the ram will still be there when she comes into estrous again.
You can breed any time. I suggest you do it for YOUR convenience, not the ewe's. Have a look at the breeding/lambing chart on my Web site at http://www.critterhaven.biz/breeding_schedule.htm to help you select a good breeding date.
Carol
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We have a small herd of ewes and would like to breed them.This would be our 1st attempt.We plan to bring over a stud.When is the best time?Spring?Fall? Would leaving the male visitor for a week be enough time?
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Carlos, if you are talking Barbado sheep, then anytime is as good a time as any other. What I mean is figure out 5 1/2 to 6 months from, say August 1, to the second or third week of February, as pregnancy length. Then figure out the average weather in your area, Arcadia, Fla. Which, if my memory serves me correctly, is not a really good month in Florida. Unless you plan on monitoring them constantly at the end of 5 months,(since I assume you haven't had lambs before, and are inexperienced at this) or have a barn and small lot to fence them in . I would go for Sept. , because March is a lot nicer weather wise. That way you have all lambs in 2-4 weeks, and all of them will be weaned by May and if, and that's a big if, you wish to breed again, then you can again., and will have your second lambing in September.But I like to wait and figure out a good time period for rest and recuperation for my ewes. I sometimes have two lambings a year, but not every year. (not that they are not ready and willing) It is important that the ewes get their health and weight back up before they are bred again. JMHO. As to one week for the Ram,that is dependent on how many ewes you have. If they are not in season when he comes in the herd then it may take that week for them to get there. I leave mine in there for at least one month. Actually, since I have my own ram I leave him in with them until the lambing season gets close, then I remove him to his own pasture, so the ewes can get calmed down before delivery. (about the fourth month) That way if there are any late bloomers they get bred,too. Just makes it interesting when you look out your door and see "Oops! Surprise! A late lamb." Remember to remove all new ram lambs as soon as they are weaned, or they will try and sometimes succeed breeding to sisters and mothers. Any ewe lambs should be put in a seperate pen until after the Ram is removed from the second breeding too. Einar Subject: [blackbelly] Breeding Time We have a small herd of ewes and would like to breed them.This would be our 1st attempt.We plan to bring over stud.When is the best time?Spring?Fall? Would leaving the male visitor for a week be enough time?Thanks
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Another consideration is when is the best time to sell the lambs - Easter and Christmas time - so you may want to time the breeding so the lambs are market age/size by those dates. If you have a market year round, then you won't have to worry about that; our best time is Easter and prices rise in the weeks preceeding Easter and fall sharply after.
Onalee
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