I worm mine regularly. I read Barb's original posting, and I had one ewe with the same symptoms. She did fine, but always had a loose stool. I finally sold her and solved that problem. I must have another one somewhere because I find that type stool around, not cosntantly, just occasionally. I wormed with panacur and ivomec. Still had that one with the problem. Unless you are trying to raise the true organic meat, then worm regularly, and if you have one with problems, get rid of it....
I still have some problems with the definitions of organic, but that is for another post!! Cecil in OKla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow > If I may, I would like to share an opinion concerning AB vs BB. The > breeders who raise BB have a sheep who is of purebred lines, culled for > their health and have been for years not only here in the states, but also > from where they originated. When we talk about AB and BB really we are > talking color in the AB, not a purebred, not years and years of study and > culling, etc. Except for color the AB is far removed from what the > original > BB was/is. To think AB should be parasite resistant like its cousin the > BB > is not logical. There are so many breeds mixed in with the AB, including > woolies, that to expect the AB to have the same resistantence to anything > the BB is resistent to is I believe wrong thinking. I do believe this > resistance to parasites can be obtained with selective > breeding/culling/and > adding original BB breeding into the flock. I love my AB, but I accept > them > for what they are, a color breed who look like the BB. I don't expect > them > to be like the BB in any respect except for their gorgeous coloring. It > would be hard to breed a parasite restant flock if there is nothing > parasite > resistant in the flock to work with. These are just my thoughts and > observations over the past years of me observing my flock and listening to > all of you. I just do not believe that we who breed AB can expect the > same > out of our flocks as the BB breeders do from their flocks. Can it be > accomplished, yes, but not without adding into the flocks parasite > resistant > sheep. Sue Smith > > > > >>From: "Barb Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info >>To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>,"Rob Johnson" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow >>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:47:50 -0700 >> >>I am going to tell this story, because I am hoping it will benefit >>someone, perhaps get them thinking. The gears in my head are clashing >>and breaking right now. I am really conflicted. >> >>Ever since sheep set foot on my "virgin" property about 2-1/2 years >>ago - the first sheep in 25 years, I have had the occasional animal >>felled by scouring/wasting. Just out of the blue. No sign of illness >>at first, but then a slow decline with no recovery, even with treatment, >>except for one who continues to poop something between dog manure and >>green pancake batter, but manages to maintain a good weight. >> >>By most standards, I would say I run a pretty clean, tight little farm. >>Lots of rotational grazing. Low stocking density. I do fecal tests >>routinely. Clean environment and with a parasite program that has >>included chemical worming, Basic H worming and cocci prevention. I >>know, I know, bad bad bad. These animals are parasite resistant. Yeah, >>uh huh. Tell me another one. >> >>I have tested soils, forages, all feeds and tried to get their immune >>systems up with nutrition. >> >>Anyway, the most recent animal to start scouring was in a dry lot with 4 >>other ewes, weaning lambs. I tried cocci treatment. The condition got >>worse. I had wormed with Ivomec less than two months before. It was >>warm and dry. They were eating dry grass hay out of a manger, not off >>the ground. >> >>She was young and in good flesh. I had had enough with all this >>chemical crap. Enough of guessing what was going on. We slaughtered >>the animal, sent the carcass to the butcher and sent the guts to the >>vet. He took samples of everything - EVERYTHING and sent them to Oregon >>State University. >> >>The best news I got back today is that once and for all, Johne's disease >>is ruled out. The other good news is that it is NOT the "super cocci" >>eimeria that is "running rampant" in Oregon right now, that kills its >>host and is immune to all drugs. You know what is killing my sheep? >>Parasites! Bloody parasites!!! She had lesions on her intestinal wall >>from cocci. There were cocci eggs and strongyle eggs in her gut enough >>to cause clinical disease. >> >>So what is the protocol? Oh yeah, professional fecals, what? Monthly? >>And industrial strength CHEMICALS. Of course! More, and heavier doses! >> >>YOU guys - YOU tell me what you would do when your fine, healthy so >>called parasite resistant animals are s***ting themselves to death, and >>you've hit them with every class of chemical and they don't respond. >>You work yourself stupid to provide the right kind of environment. And >>what happens? Whoops, there goes another one. >> >>I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Every single stinkin' one of these >>animals that poops a green streak is going to be on the hook. I've >>become an unwitting slave to a chemical machine, a butt-wiper to a bunch >>of weak sheep, and I will not put another one on the ground that can't >>live in sheep paradise here without falling over dead. >> >>I don't know whether to be thrilled to know what is going on, or whether >>to throw in the towel and say this is the stupidest thing I've ever >>gotten myself into. >> >>I tell you what I AM going to do. The next one to start is going to be >>isolated and I am literally going to cram it with copper. It is the >>only thing I know that has a chance in h**l of wiping out parasites >>without chemicals. What difference does it make if the animal OD's on >>Copper? It's going to die of lead poisoning either way. >> >>Whatever I have left of this flock a year from now is going to get there >>on its own immune power. I have had it. No sheep will leave this >>property alive until I haven't had a loss for at least 2 years. >> >>Barb Lee - raising $100 a pound lamb because of all the testing and >>bloody chemicals. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>This message is from the blackbelly mailing list >>Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > This message is from the blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info _______________________________________________ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
