Jennifer: I must agree with Barb, et.al., have a BBQ. Then contact me and I will donate to the zoo a young registerable american blackbelly ram of your choice. We are only a few minutes north of Gulf Shores. I know of two other breeders in Baldwin County that could possibly supply you with registerable stock.
John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, Alabama [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176 > Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to > blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: problem with ram horns (Carol J. Elkins) > 2. Re: problem with ram horns (Barb Lee) > 3. Re: problem with ram horns (GARLAND STAMPER) > 4. Re: problem with ram horns (Egils Burgelis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:19:45 -0700 > From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I am not a horned breeder, so I can't answer Jennifer's questions. > Can someone else help out here? > > Carol > > At 06:53 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I am the head of hoofstock at the Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo. I have a >>3 year old hand raised blackbelly ram that has started having issues >>with 1 horn. It is a very nice spiral but it is too close to his >>face. At first it didn't look like a problem as it grew, but now it >>has grown too close to his eye and face. Can it be trained away >>after it has gotten like this? The spot is halfway down the spiral, >>so trimming it would be tricky. How close to the end is the blood >>supply? He is also a typical handraised ram in a close area so it is >>always a fight to do anything with him. >>Thanks in advance >>Jennifer Koehler > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:30:29 -0800 > From: "Barb Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Please accept this advice in the spirit in which it is given. To a > horned blackbelly breeder, a horn growing into the face represents a > serious, life-threatening genetic defect. Horned rams with splendid > racks that do not threaten their quality of life are easily obtainable. > In my humblest of opinions, I would not let this animal breed, nor > display it as representative of its breed. If it is also obnoxious and > dangerous, I think it would be best euthanized and a more appropriate > ram with correct horns be obtained. Good rams are neither rare nor > expensive. Having the horn skillfully trimmed would probably be much > more expensive than the animal is worth. > > Best regards, > Barb Lee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > > >>I am not a horned breeder, so I can't answer Jennifer's questions. >> Can someone else help out here? >> >> Carol >> >> At 06:53 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>I am the head of hoofstock at the Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo. I have a >>>3 year old hand raised blackbelly ram that has started having issues >>>with 1 horn. It is a very nice spiral but it is too close to his >>>face. At first it didn't look like a problem as it grew, but now it >>>has grown too close to his eye and face. Can it be trained away >>>after it has gotten like this? The spot is halfway down the spiral, >>>so trimming it would be tricky. How close to the end is the blood >>>supply? He is also a typical handraised ram in a close area so it is >>>always a fight to do anything with him. >>>Thanks in advance >>>Jennifer Koehler >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:46:25 -0800 > From: "GARLAND STAMPER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > I totally agree with Barb L. I'm also of the opinion that there are very > good, respectable rams out there that sport much better horns. Having > "naturally" cleaned some of our butcher rams' skulls...I would hesitate to > trim horns on this 3-year-old ram. I would think it would cut into the > horn > core and risk the animals's life. Better to humanely euthanize him and > get > another young ram. > > Sorry to be so blunt...but it is my opinion. We raise rams (which I love > for their antics) and live with several right now. There is also no need > to > have one that is hard to handle. > > Beth in central OR > Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:46:08 +0200 > From: Egils Burgelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I CAST MY VOTE WITH BARB L. & GARLAND - BESIDES, THEY ARE DELICIOUS! > > ANDY. ELKHART LAKE WISCONSIN > > Quoting GARLAND STAMPER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Hi all, >> >> I totally agree with Barb L. I'm also of the opinion that there are very >> >> good, respectable rams out there that sport much better horns. Having >> "naturally" cleaned some of our butcher rams' skulls...I would hesitate >> to >> trim horns on this 3-year-old ram. I would think it would cut into the >> horn >> core and risk the animals's life. Better to humanely euthanize him and >> get >> another young ram. >> >> Sorry to be so blunt...but it is my opinion. We raise rams (which I love >> >> for their antics) and live with several right now. There is also no need >> to >> have one that is hard to handle. >> >> Beth in central OR >> Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. > Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ > > > End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176 > ****************************************** > _______________________________________________ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
