This is good information. Though I have anything but intensive
manangement (I only have 10sheep on 5 acre)I can easily collect a fecal
and take it to the vet.
Thank you,
John
At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote:
IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody
scours, then
coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for
coccidia.
Sulfa also works.
There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a
problem
with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms
and
sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the
intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away.
My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms.
Cecil in OKla
Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee
has
experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She
reported
that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where
coccidiostats
didn't.
Julian
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:41:02 -0400
From: "Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting
away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2
weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I
have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to
die within a day or two anyway.
These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I
have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to
my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original
flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit
of grain) and get minerals.
Anybody have any ideas?
John
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
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You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look for signs of
anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer as soon as
posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and oregano to help
the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic juice. You
would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket. Other people
recommend the use of parsley too.
Have a great day!!!
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Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:41 PM I have had 3 sheep in the last
two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I
notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die.
I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried
administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within
a day or two anyway.
These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however,
I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep
to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags.
My original
flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit
of grain) and get minerals.
Anybody have any ideas?
John
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:39:39 -0400
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Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest using either
Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, it's a waste of
time
and money). This should be done immediately and may need to be repeated
in
2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron supplement and
B-12 would be a big help, too.
Onalee
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:43:12 -0700
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If it's not nutritional deficiencies and parasites it could be ovine
progressive pneumonia (OPP). OPP is a progressive pneumonia that is
similar to AIDS in humans, taking at least 2 years to manifest its
signs. The virus slowly causes progressive lung damage. Ewes gradually
lose stamina and body condition and have serious breathing problems,
ending in physical weakness and fatal pneumonia.
OPP is transmitted from ewe to lamb primarily through milk. It can be
transmitted from infected animals via respiratory secretions. There are
tests to determine if the animal has OPP but there is no cure or
vaccine.
Ovine progressive pneumonia is another example of a "purchased disease"
and certainly underlines the need to be extremely careful when buying
the initial flock and any replacement animals.
Any animals that test positive should be isolated and culled .
Dayna Denmark
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:54:18 -0500
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I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I see my sheep
acting
puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is growing in
your
pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces for worms,
check
for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest areas, ie; udder
scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with turkey mite this
year
and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can be wrong and
go
unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose our sheep with
the
nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours get sick.) Thank
goodness that doesn't happen often.
Helen
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
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I understand that cydectin is not recommended if they are pregnant. Also
I understand that cydectin is the last resource after other dewormers
proved not to be effective. For sure the new animals bring to much
worms or new worms that the other animals were not exposed in so much
quantity. A good idea would be to check with they former owner to see
what dewormer they were using and how frequently they used and that
would give an idea if the worm would be resistant to that dewormer, in
that case you would need to use a different type.
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Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest
using either
Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd,
it's a waste of time
and money). This should be done immediately and may need
to be repeated in
2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron
supplement and
B-12 would be a big help, too.
Onalee
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT)
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Can you give some details about the dieing process of the animals? That
would help.
Have a great day!!!
Andy
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I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I
see my sheep acting
puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is
growing in your
pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces
for worms, check
for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest
areas, ie; udder
scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with
turkey mite this year
and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can
be wrong and go
unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose
our sheep with the
nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours
get sick.) Thank
goodness that doesn't happen often.
Helen
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:17:18 -0400
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In response to many inquiries (and thanks for the responses).
I originally suspected Johne's Disease, but the latest victim is only
6months old (I think that would rule out OPP as well). My understanding
is that JD takes several years to manifest.
Worming:
I live in southeast texas where humidity and heat are brutal. My
worming pattern is seasonal. Typically during the summer (July-Sept) I
worm every 2-3 mnths (I look for signs and try to stretch it). And the
remainder of the year I go 3-5months (again looking for signs). I dont
do fecals, but I can usually catch bottle jaw pretty quick. I rotate
pastures about every 2 months too.
I primarily worm with Valbazen (oral), but switch to Ivomec (SubQ or
Oral depending on severity) during breading times. Im thinking of going
to Cydectin (oral) instead of Ivomec as soon as I run out.
I have wormed within the last two weeks so I don't think it is worms. I
have just dosed the latest one with Valbazen, we'll see what happens.
Poisons:
I suspected that too, except all my sheep flock together, and I have had
sheep on the pasture for 3 years now. It may be inorganic, but the
others don't seem to be showing signs (knock on wood)
I may have to bite the bullet and take it to the vet. I just hate to
spend the money and find out they don't know (or its incurable). But
then again, I don't want to loose the whole flock.
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Subject: Wasting Away
I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting
away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2
weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I
have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to
die within a day or two anyway.
These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I
have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to
my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original
flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit
of grain) and get minerals.
Anybody have any ideas?
John
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:31:00 -0700
From: Dayna Denmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age
of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing.
Dayna Denmark
Half Ass Acres
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