I agree with Mary completely. My vet in Missouri recommended the use of cydectin years ago. His major concern is the barber pole worms. I use it probably twice a year or when I see one with bottle jaw. I would be careful to use only the purple cattle pour on orally versus the clear cydectin which is listed for the use in sheep. It is ineffective and not recommended by my vet who maintains both our sheep and goats. It is too weak and we almost lost a ewe from using it.
Mark Fleming -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 117 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.in fo or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Good news for bottle jaw lambs (Mary Swindell) 2. Re: Good news for bottle jaw lambs (Onalee Israel) 3. Re: Good news for bottle jaw lambs (Terry) 4. Re: Good news for bottle jaw lambs (Bonnie Chandler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:04:37 -0500 From: Mary Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Blackbelly] Good news for bottle jaw lambs To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi folks, I want to share some good news regarding a couple of wether lambs which were heavily infested with parasites, and had not responded to Ivomec or Panacur. These little castrated ram lambs are purebred polled Barbados Blackbelly lambs, and are about 6 months old (born about April 1st). They both weighed about 45 - 50 pounds, and were both wormed with Ivomec (Ivermectin) at about 2 months old, on June 1st. Starting about September 10th, they began to show signs of bottle jaw (due to heavy parasite infestation), and on about September 25, I wormed them with Panacur. However, by September 30th, they both had giant, swollen jaws, to the point where the bottom half of their little heads looked like soccer balls. When you touched their heads, they felt soft and plushy, like water balloons. The little boys hadn't lost a lot of weight, and really seemed pretty large and healthy except for their obvious cases of extreme bottle jaw. I have not had extensive problems with parasites in the past, and have wormed periodically with Ivomec, Panacur and Levasole. But I have heard that Ivomec and Panacur are not effective for some flocks. Apparently, I had a couple of lambs here that these wormers couldn't help. I realized they would both die if I didn't do something fast. I was not optimistic, but two breeder friends recommended Cydectin (not the sheep and goat oral drench, but the cattle pour-on variety). I consulted with my local vet, who called the state vet. The state vet also recommended using the cattle pour-on variety, and said to use 1 ml per 22 pounds of body weight for sheep, as an oral drench. However, one of the local vets didn't want to use the Cydectin, and tried to get me to use something less intense instead, as it might be dangerous for the lambs. I said "this is a last ditch effort, we're going to lose them anyway if it doesn't work so I don't have anything to lose by trying." So they gave me the Cydectin. It smells terrible and is a dark blue-green. But just because I was a little spooked by the local vet's hesitancy, I called the vets up at Pipestone Veterinary Clinic at Pipestone, MN. One of their vets listened to my situation, and recommended the Cydectin at this same dosage (1 ml per 22 pounds). He said 3 mls for a 50 lb. lamb would probably be safe. He also recommended an antibiotic, such as Nuflor (for 1 day) or long-acting Pennecillan (for 3 days) to help heal the damage caused to the intestines by the whole situation. Additionally, he recommended a shot of an anti-inflammatory such as Dexamethazone, to help bring down the swelling. So I gave each lamb 3 ml. Cydectin (cattle pour-on) as an oral drench on Friday. I also gave them 3 ml. Pennecillan Procaine G, subcutaneous, for 3 days in a row (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday). I didn't have any Dexamethazone, and I decided not to worry about giving that. I took a photo of one lamb on Friday, and his head was puffed out like a water balloon. But by this evening, Sunday, you couldn't tell it was the same lamb. His face, jaws and neck are normal, slender and muscular. The other lamb is the same. They are on their feet, with lots of energy, and seem like they were never sick. I have never seen such a rapid, successful recovery in lambs I almost gave up for dead. I wish I could share these photos with you, you would not believe it! Anyway, I thought I could at least share the good news. Cydectin is certainly not something we would want to overuse, because clearly we have mounting parasite resistence in our flocks throughout the country. But when you need it, it is good to know that it is available. Mary Swindell ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:49:26 -0400 From: "Onalee Israel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Good news for bottle jaw lambs To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is great news ! Do you know why they recommended using the POUR ON as a drench rather than simply using the DRENCH? Onalee ? ? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Swindell Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:05 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Good news for bottle jaw lambs Hi folks, I want to share some good news regarding a couple of wether lambs which were heavily infested with parasites, and had not responded to Ivomec or Panacur. These little castrated ram lambs are purebred polled Barbados Blackbelly lambs, and are about 6 months old (born about April 1st). They both weighed about 45 - 50 pounds, and were both wormed with Ivomec (Ivermectin) at about 2 months old, on June 1st. Starting about September 10th, they began to show signs of bottle jaw (due to heavy parasite infestation), and on about September 25, I wormed them with Panacur. However, by September 30th, they both had giant, swollen jaws, to the point where the bottom half of their little heads looked like soccer balls. When you touched their heads, they felt soft and plushy, like water balloons. The little boys hadn't lost a lot of weight, and really seemed pretty large and healthy except for their obvious cases of extreme bottle jaw. I have not had extensive problems with parasites in the past, and have wormed periodically with Ivomec, Panacur and Levasole. But I have heard that Ivomec and Panacur are not effective for some flocks. Apparently, I had a couple of lambs here that these wormers couldn't help. I realized they would both die if I didn't do something fast. I was not optimistic, but two breeder friends recommended Cydectin (not the sheep and goat oral drench, but the cattle pour-on variety). I consulted with my local vet, who called the state vet. The state vet also recommended using the cattle pour-on variety, and said to use 1 ml per 22 pounds of body weight for sheep, as an oral drench. However, one of the local vets didn't want to use the Cydectin, and tried to get me to use something less intense instead, as it might be dangerous for the lambs. I said "this is a last ditch effort, we're going to lose them anyway if it doesn't work so I don't have anything to lose by trying." So they gave me the Cydectin. It smells terrible and is a dark blue-green. But just because I was a little spooked by the local vet's hesitancy, I called the vets up at Pipestone Veterinary Clinic at Pipestone, MN. One of their vets listened to my situation, and recommended the Cydectin at this same dosage (1 ml per 22 pounds). He said 3 mls for a 50 lb. lamb would probably be safe. He also recommended an antibiotic, such as Nuflor (for 1 day) or long-acting Pennecillan (for 3 days) to help heal the damage caused to the intestines by the whole situation. Additionally, he recommended a shot of an anti-inflammatory such as Dexamethazone, to help bring down the swelling. So I gave each lamb 3 ml. Cydectin (cattle pour-on) as an oral drench on Friday. I also gave them 3 ml. Pennecillan Procaine G, subcutaneous, for 3 days in a row (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday). I didn't have any Dexamethazone, and I decided not to worry about giving that. I took a photo of one lamb on Friday, and his head was puffed out like a water balloon. But by this evening, Sunday, you couldn't tell it was the same lamb. His face, jaws and neck are normal, slender and muscular. The other lamb is the same. They are on their feet, with lots of energy, and seem like they were never sick. I have never seen such a rapid, successful recovery in lambs I almost gave up for dead. I wish I could share these photos with you, you would not believe it! Anyway, I thought I could at least share the good news. Cydectin is certainly not something we would want to overuse, because clearly we have mounting parasite resistence in our flocks throughout the country. But when you need it, it is good to know that it is available. Mary Swindell _______________________________________________ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Good news for bottle jaw lambs To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mary-- Willow, and many trees from the poplar family contain natural anti-inflammatory properties which you could use when Dex is not available. the cambioum layer is what you want the animal to ingest-- small, fresh twigs are best, but they can also be dried for winter time use.... Terry W ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:22:27 -0400 From: "Bonnie Chandler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Good news for bottle jaw lambs To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Or you could simply give them human aspirin, which is the same thing. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Good news for bottle jaw lambs > > Mary-- > Willow, and many trees from the poplar family contain natural > anti-inflammatory properties which you could use when Dex is not > available. the cambioum layer is what you want the animal to ingest-- > small, fresh twigs are best, but they can also be dried for winter time > use.... > > Terry W > > > > _______________________________________________ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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