Hi Brenda,
Buddy, our four year old, has been in with our sheep for two
years. I had him neutered right away and we have never had a problem
with him trying to breed the sheep. He and his brother, which my
son-in-law has, were raised with cattle. We turned him loose with the
sheep right away and he did seem to run them a little, but we found out
he was establishing his herding of them. We were concerned when the
sheep started lambing, he would get excited and I was home so I would
stand in the middle so he did not get too close. Later we had had a ewe
give birth to twins way out in the pasture and is was 11 degrees. We
actually saw him nudge a little one back to his mom. Needless to say
our concerns were over. They all get along great! The young one, Toot,
has not been fixed yet. He is only 9 months old and he should be okay
for another year. I do not know how he will react when lambing starts
shortly. So he will be watched closely. But he gets along very well and
actually herds them better than the older one. We give them shots once
a year and worm them every three months. They are so smart and great to
have around. Our only concern is in the summer, you have to keep them
cool. Ours goes in the pond four or five times a day. My son-in-law
also has two Llamas for the sheep and a dog to watch the goats. Mark
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Thanks for the info re your llama guardians. Did you acquire the llamas
at
a very young age? At what age did you introduce them to your BBs? Any
problems integrating them into your herd? Any idiocyncracies I should
know
about llamas?
Many thanks,
Brenda
Fredericksburg, TX
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> We have two male guardian Llamas, a four year old neutered and a 9
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> coyotes, knock on wood. One night while we were outside a coyote came
> up to the fence, the llamas gathered the sheep in behind them, making
> quite a racket. I didn=92t have time to get my gun, before it took
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> They are great with the sheep and watch out for the ducks and geese.
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> do not let our two dogs in with them, but the dogs also help to chase
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time =
> to get
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> </span>They are
> great with the sheep and watch out for the ducks and geese.<span
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From: "James Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [blackbelly] Concern re loss of sheep
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:30 -0400
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MessageHello Brenda,
All dogs, llamas and donkeys are not equal. Just because you buy one
does
not mean they will met your needs. I have had llamas to try to mate my
goats and sheep and in fact have killed them by lying on them while
trying
to mate them. I have know of donkeys to run and bite sheep and goats
until
they drop and dogs can be dogs. I am stating just because you have one
of
them will not necessarily solve your problems. Dealing with dogs, it is
my
understanding it is hard for a adult dog to bond with the sheep and the
sheep to bond with the dog. It is my understanding that puppies raised
with
sheep and goats do a lot better but as you know this takes time and
energy
which you do not have.
I have gotten several young FEMALE Emus and got them use to the sheep
and
goats at a reasonable amount of time and they seem to do very well with
predators. The reason I have used Emus is that I can buy them for
$25.00
versus hundreds and even thousands of dollars on other animals. If an
Emu
does not work out I have not lost much money.
Emus are curious animals. I have found them to approach an animal not
to
attack but to observe them. I have found that most predators do not
know
what to think about an Emu. An Emu runs very fast and crazy sometimes
running like it is drunk. I have found most predators are distracted by
the
Emu and leaves.
Please understand I feel NO one breed is the best for protection. Each
animals is different, just make sure you do not spend to much money on
any
animal to find out it does not work for you.
James in Central Virginia
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Heather
Sharfeddin
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:49 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [blackbelly] Concern re loss of sheep
Hi Brenda,
I'm not an expert in this area, I'm sure you'll get lots of responses
from
people who are. But a guard dog is not your only option. Donkeys and
Llamas
also guard sheep quite successfully and blend well (usually) with the
herd.
Check those options out too.
Heather
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From: Wayne Harding [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [blackbelly] Concern re loss of sheep
Hi,
I am new to your website and new to raising BB sheep. We began with
a
small herd of 25, which is what we needed for our AG exemption. All was
well for the first couple of months, but now we are experiencing loss of
sheep which is, I'm sure, due to predators (most likely fox or coyote).
(We
find only carcasses.) The first loss was a 3-month old lamb, which was
followed by the loss of 4 mature sheep...all within one month. We were
hoping that we would not have to resort to relying on a guard dog for
protection of our sheep, but I guess we were dreaming. I need some good
(and quick) advice regarding the best solution to invoke; i.e., what
type
and age of guard dog would most easily adapt to being introduced to my
herd
without totally spooking the herd and without requiring major assistance
from me, as I suffer with a back injury which prevents me from
participating
in a great deal of physical activity? I don't know if climate is a
consideration when selecting a particular guard dog or not, but I live
on a
ranch just outside of Fredericksburg, Texas where it is HOT, HOT, HOT,
and
the terrain is rocky. Help!
Brenda
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Brenda,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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=
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=
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=
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Heather
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'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [blackbelly] =
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Brenda,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964004721-28072003><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'm=20
not an expert in this area, I'm sure you'll get lots of responses from
=
people=20
who are. But a guard dog is not your only option. Donkeys and Llamas =
also=20
guard sheep quite successfully and blend well (usually) with the herd.
=
Check=20
those options out too. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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Wayne Harding=20
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2:31=20
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new to=20
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what we=20
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=
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sure, due to=20
predators (most likely fox or coyote). (We find only =
carcasses.) The=20
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=
4=20
mature sheep...all within one month. We were hoping that we =
would not=20
have to resort to relying on a guard dog for protection of our =
sheep, but I=20
guess we were dreaming. I need some good (and quick) advice =
regarding=20
the best solution to invoke; i.e., what type and age of guard dog =
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=
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I suffer with a=20
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live on a=20
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:08:05 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Julie Riha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [blackbelly] first lamb
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I have my first barbados lamb, got her from a friend. She is about 3 1/2
months old. Out of all the lambs my friend had mine is the only one that
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has
a cough. The fluid out of her nose is clear. A guy that came over last
we=
ek
to shear my sister-in-laws woolies said that it could be worms. We live
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northern California. I read some of the archives about worming and most
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hat
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<DIV>I have my first barbados lamb, got her from a friend. She is about
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1/2 months old. Out of all the lambs my friend had mine is the only one
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that has a cough. The fluid out of her nose is clear. A guy that came
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r last week to shear my sister-in-laws woolies said that it could be
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s. We live in northern California. I read some of the archives about
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ing and most what I learned that it isn't all that necessary to worm
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e barbs. I did worm her but don't know how long it takes to take affect.
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