RE: [blackbelly] Re: New name debate

[Susan Smith]

Good evening,  I believe that there is no thoughts of coming up with a "new 
breed."  The Barbado sheep is not a new breed, but it also is not a Barbados 
Blackbelly sheep (horned).  From my stand point only, I would like to see a 
name change so when another person goes to purchase a Barbados Blackbelly  
sheep "horned".....in fact that is not what they are purchasing....as it 
stands right now, that person is purchasing a Barbado Sheep with Blackbelly 
markings.  If the "horned" version had its own name, eg. American 
Blackbelly, then people could research the breed on the internet or where 
ever and see two distinct breeds, both purebred, both registered, but not as 
Barbados Blackbelly sheep horned or polled.  The horned need to be separated 
and a standard should be set for a beautiful distinct breed of sheep who is 
similiar to that of a Barbados Blackbelly sheep but infact is not the same 
sheep except for foundation stock.  As far as BBSAI might be concerned, all 
their "horned" registry could just receive a name change, with BBSAI still 
holding the registry for both breeds.  We Barbado breeders stick to our high 
quality of breeding, and we still have registered stock and will continue to 
register our stock, but not as Barbados Blackbelly Sheep (horned).  I also 
feel that the standards should follow the guidelines of the Barbados 
Blackbelly sheep as found on the BBSAI website, but the differences should 
be taken into consideration because the Barbado is not a Barbados Blackbelly 
and cannot be held to the exact standard.  The need to take into 
consideration the standards of the Mouflon and the Rambouillet should be 
studied and see where the Barbado fits in with these sheep as they were the 
origional cross.  Just an example if I may, I believe some of our Barbado 
breeders would like to see horns on the ewes allowed.  They are breeding for 
large horns on their rams.  This would be outrageous in the standard for the 
Barbado Blackbelly sheep, but for the Barbado  (American Blackbelly) since 
the Mouflon was a foundation stock used to create the Barbados, and the 
Mouflon ewes have horns, why should they not be acceptable to the standard?  
If I don't want horns on my ewes, then I stay away from that genetic line.  
I would like to restate myself, I do believe that the Barbado (American 
Blackbelly) needs to use the Barbados Blackbelly breed standards as a 
guideline such as keeping the color, but they also should be allowed to 
deviate from the standard because of the cross, they are unable to meet it.  
Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts, Sue Smith



Susan Smith
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Subject: [blackbelly] Re: New name debate
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:32:54 EDT
In a message dated 4/10/04 1:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Just a couple of things to think about. IF someone decides to make-up a 
=
 new breed of "American Blackbelly" (or whatever), will a separate =
 registry be established? Is there any recognized protocol for =
 establishing a new "breed"?=20

 Also, it appears that this one decision could remove the majority of =
 animals from the existing registry. Is that the intended result and in =
 the best interest of the breed(s)?
  >>
Additional thoughts....
The discussion isn't really so much about a name, rather, what exactly does
the name convey.
My interest in German Shepherds started back in the 70s.  My first GS was
bred in Berlin, Germany.  (yes, I was a "military" brat) <g>
At that time my understanding of breed name was narrow believing all GS 
were
similar.  Well, the american breed was different.  Show is different then
Schutzhund and then there is pet quality.  All are GS, but I learned 
there's more
to buying a GS then in the name alone.  :-)

When I became interested in BBS or what I thought were all BBS(the ALBC
watched type) (hair sheep in general), it never dawned on me till our 
recent
discussion on what defines a Barbado vs. BBS, that the same applies.

If I look at what the BBSAI sets as standards for the sheep they register 
and
compare that to the other group and then compare that with additional
information, I still have additional questions I'll need to ask and not 
assume in a
purchase.

As far as, the registry and names.  BBSAI and members will decide what that
will be.
If they want to add additional categories of the "blackbelly" they can do
that, if they choose.  Ultimately, it would be great to have one place to 
find
stock listed that a purchaser might be looking to buy and know that a basic
standard is expected from those sellers.

I guess, I'm saying the name of these sheep still isn't any guarantee in 
the
open market of sheep as to what it is a buyer is really purchasing.   
Either
ask a lot of questions of the seller, see the stock/inspect, get it in 
writing
or look to an organization that sets some consistent standard of the sheep
registered with them.

I've read a little as to what it takes to get a new breed (duck) 
recognized,
but not enough recall to give a decent answer here.

Diana

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