On Wed, May 30, at 11:10 Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> Ag. D. Hatzimanikas wrote:
> > On Mon, May 28, at 07:50 Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> >> Ag. D. Hatzimanikas wrote:
> >>> On Sun, May 27, at 02:55 Dan Nicholson wrote:
>
> >>>> And really, if the script works, then why would we remove it? Unless
> >>>> it becomes a maintenance burden because it's breaking all the time. If
> >>>> you really want it out, though, then we should ask on the list to find
> >>>> out if people are using it.
> >>> I do.
> >> I'm curious. Why?
>
> > Oh well why the hell you are doing that, since hards disk space is chip
> > these days, or why you are caring about memory leaks since we have ton
> > of MBytes of memory sticks, and why you care about bad codded applications
> > that
> > don't use the cpu with an effective way.
>
> I really didn't want a philosophy of life statement. I agree with many
> of your comments.
>
Do you really want to know the reason I am so spartan. Blame to my grandpa.
Believe it or not, in his last 50 years of his life, he didn't ate more than 24
spaghetti for lunch. He was getting mad if it was 25.
I was trying to describe my lifestance, because I feel it like an obligation
of my part, like the normal people do, in their real life.
> As far as man file compression goes, you need to rethink it a bit. You
> have the tradeoff of CPU usage vs. Disk space. CPU cycles use power and
> that affects the environment. I understand about memory leaks. They
> can grow without bound. For disk compression, you utilize CPU for every
> decompression.
>
> But in any case, how much disk space are you saving by compressing man
> pages? Mine is 60M, uncompressed. If you are getting a 6-to-1 savings,
> that 50M. On my 'small' 80G drive, that's less than 0.065%. Checking
> Google, an 80G hard disk is about US $40. That 50Mb savings just saved
> you about three cents.
>
I think, I am overdoing it in that part and you are probably right.
But now after 2/3 years, I am not opening a lot of man pages and the few
I do (programs I care), I am opening them with an special way; see
below.
In fact the `man' command I am using to open the man pages, is a wrapper around
man, and the actual pager is vim.
Why vim?
Because is flexible.
I will give you three examples.
First, many times, you will find inside the man pages references to other files,
for instance rc files.
Let me find one for a demonstration... Oh yea I found it; the man page of man
itself.
Now follow me, it's going to be a long command.
/usr/bin/man man | col -b | /usr/bin/vim -R -c "set ft=man nomod nolist \
nofoldenable title titlestring=$1" -c "noremap <buffer> <Space> \
<PageDown>" -c "map q :q<CR>" -
If my/your mailer doesn't break the command, you will open the man page in vim.
Navigation through the page is almost like less pager now.
Go to the end: G
Go up some lines: 36k and: 10l
and hit gf (get file, or go to file)
Normally you will go to the /etc/man_db.conf ,if not just found it's in
the last page, and place your cursor on it.
CTRL-o to go back to the man page,
now go a little below, in the SEE ALSO section and put the cursor at the
mandb(8) word, and hit CTRL-]
It will open the mandb man page, normally.
Now make a search for whatis in the mandb man page.
/whatis <CTRL>
and while you are on the whatis word, just hit K <Capital>.
Bingo the man page of whatis.
:help K to find help about K.
So, it's how you use a program that matters, and how you get the best part of
it.
That's my opinion.
And that is what I mean; a proper way to use a software.
> I understand your sentiments, but think you should concentrate on areas
> that might have a more significant impact.
>
Oh I know what I want, but I don't know C.
Basic functions of the C Library with UTF8-support, bare bone kernel to boot
and
to have the basic functionality, the ck patch set on top of it, zshell to
communicate
with the kernel, a terminal, a readable font, mutt, elinks, curl, vim, a MTA,
{png,jpeg,ogg,avi}, support mplayer and sed/awk, and I am all set.
Oh and I forgot. The bloated firefox to do my banking. I am depend on
it. But it's not in my hand.
Oh and a basic handling of windows.
As I can't get rid of X yet, dwm for window manager. It's all about 26
Kbytes window manager and it has all I need, and still there 2 functions that
I still hasn't found of use yet. It's a bloated piece of software. :)
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