Sara, I went to your sight,but couldn't find the pacass. PEACE John Carvalho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
> Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook > express. I reviewed it on my podcast at > http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 > SA&G > :> OK Gang, > :> > :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and > :> suggested that > :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each > :> list > :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not > :> realize a > :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just > :> that: > :> > :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and > :> then copy > :> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the > :> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) > :> into the > :> two separate messages - one for each list. > :> > :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > :> using > :> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the > :> message > :> from one email composition for one list into a second email > :> composition for > :> the second list. > :> > :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both > :> the Blind > :> Computing and JAWS Users list. > :> > :> ---------------- > :> Bill Gallik > :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of > :> all our > :> adversities." > :> - Sophocles > :> ----- Original Message ----- > :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > :> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> > :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > :> > :> > :> All, > :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > :> management team > :> to take a closer look at general list operation. > :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > :> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > :> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since > :> it will > :> be posted to both > :> lists. > :> 1. Cross-posting > :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list > :> has > :> increased. > :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > :> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part > :> of the > :> poster. > :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules > :> in their > :> e-mail client. > :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and > :> discourteous to > :> others. > :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to > :> accomodate those > :> who won't take an extra > :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. > :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually > :> serves to > :> slow the overall > :> performance of the list. > :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it > :> should be > :> done on an individual > :> message basis. > :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will > :> post the > :> same question to > :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person > :> that has > :> an answer hasn't read > :> the message yet. > :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > :> jaws-users.com, > :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > :> blind-computing.com. > :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > :> www.blind-computing.com > :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail > :> list > :> information. > :> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it > :> okay to > :> post the message, > :> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the > :> action. > :> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only > :> one > :> consideration, and that is > :> themselves. > :> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. > :> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of > :> urgency > :> for an answer to a > :> problem, > :> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to > :> your > :> question, you should be > :> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of > :> a say in > :> how your request is > :> handled. > :> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all > :> computing > :> skills, > :> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. > :> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are > :> aimed at > :> personal computing, then, > :> there should be less of a sense of urgency. > :> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. > :> So, we all need to be patient. > :> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more > :> deserving of > :> help than another. > :> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it > :> will be > :> added to the list > :> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. > :> > :> 2. File Requests. > :> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from > :> within > :> the membership. > :> And we want to encourage this to continue. > :> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, > :> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, > :> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the > :> management team > :> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. > :> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that > :> they have > :> files to share, > :> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. > :> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will > :> see what > :> we can put in place > :> to facilitate this. > :> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to > :> the list > :> asking people to send files privately. > :> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she > :> wants to > :> send it to another > :> member privately, > :> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. > :> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list > :> with > :> requests for private e-mail attachments. > :> How it works: > :> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, > :> they need only make it available to the management team. > :> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible > :> location, and then make the > :> membership aware of that location, > :> with only one post to the list. > :> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available > :> to all > :> members. > :> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. > :> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to > :> try and > :> keep our subject lines on > :> track. > :> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate > :> post. > :> > :> Richard Justice-list moderator > :> David A. Ferrin list owner > :> www.blind-computing.com > :> www.jaws-users.com > :> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > :> http://www.blind-computing.com > :> Address for the list archives: > :> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > :> To post to this group, send email to > :> [email protected] > :> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the > :> subject or > :> body of a blank message to: > :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> Use the following form in order to contact the management team > :> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > :> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > :> following > :> address: > :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> > :> > :> > :> > :> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > :> http://www.blind-computing.com > :> Address for the list archives: > :> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > :> To post to this group, send email to > :> [email protected] > :> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the > :> subject or body of a blank message to: > :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> Use the following form in order to contact the management team > :> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > :> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > :> following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
