Hi, Allan. I have both Window Eyes 5.5 and Jaws 6 installed on the same XP box with no problems.
allan thompson wrote: > Ok, > So lets see if I understand.You need a third party system to have two screen > readers loaded onto a single computer. Is that correct? I was kind of hoping > that I could just unload or sleep the one and turn the other one when I > needed it, then vice versa. Is that possible without all that trouble? > I mean , couldn't the second screen reader be treated just like any other > program that I use without Jaws running? > allan > The truth will set you freehe... > Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft > > > >> Depends if its dcm compatible. >> I have dcm compabible software. >> In case there are those non educated in dcm it stands for direct chain >> management. >> What the hell does it mean? >> Well for the end user, you can run as many screenreaders or whatever >> supports the dcm standard without the following. >> 1. installation problems, that is you used to have to uninstall the >> readers in reverse. >> 2. Use of a display patch bridge. >> I actually used one of these for a short time. >> In dcm you can run all dcm programs together, but why you would like to >> run jaws is a weird thing to me. >> Like hal and jaws. >> But if you mistakenly did it now and restarted then you still will have a >> system. >> In the old days the patch is like this. >> Your first screenreader, say jaws, is the display driver, then jaws loads >> the display driver which loads hal or whatever. >> If you started both together, the following would happen. >> Your system would start with an hardware error. >> If you were lucky you would start with a reduced display mode. >> To fix this, you reinstalled your display driver, or roled the driver back >> and installed the thing again. >> But in most cases you got a hardware error. >> You fixed this by doing a reformat. >> Its fine to do that, as it gets the system going. >> But the thing was it was so easy to damn well do. >> I did this on a number of ocations, sometimes I forgot to remove a reader >> from startup and an install with it ran and then well boom, time to >> reformat. >> Or pushing 2 hotkeys at once by mistake, guess what, time to reformat. >> Before this I had one reader. >> I was one of the first on the scene with dcm enabled software. >> For the developer, dcm is a library, you can call dcm from any app to use >> it. >> Its small and well its quite ok. >> True it did have a few bugs but they quickly went away. >> Dcm unlike the old non dcm method doesn't necessarily have to be >> configured. >> There is a program to ultar the chain order of screenreaders, but for most >> things if you install another dcm program, and say update that program, >> with say another system, and the display driver aint updated, graphics >> card, etc dcm will update its data automatically. >> If your graphics drivers or other problems, or updates to dcm are made you >> may get an error on your reader. >> You push enter and reboot and dcm will reload with new data. >> Dcm is coded by microsoft. >> But the standard was designed by a-squared and gwmicro. >> Ms made the dlls and thats it. >> I suppose ms own the code but nothing else. >> Its good that someone else other than ms wrote the standard. >> Ms can't buy dcm for their own uses. >> Imagine for instance if after activating your screenreader you would have >> to activate dcm because ms wanted you to. >> I don't think they can do that though. >> I think they were contracted with writing the code. >> But thats that. >> At 12:31 a.m. 3/02/2006, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Shaun, >>> I never occured to me that there are other screen readers that can be put >>> on the same system. I always thought that one system, one reader. >>> So perhaps another screen reader can help in filling out forms where >>> Jaws >>> can't? >>> Thanks for the idea. You have been a great help. >>> >>> So now , are those other screen readers as expensive as jaws? >>> allan >>> >>> The truth will set you freehe... >>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have had my problems with jaws forms mode which is why I continue to >>>> use >>>> hal for most tasks. >>>> I spent cash getting jaws for a spaciffic project back at tech and >>>> upgraded it on smas. >>>> But I feel disaloosioned since the only time I actually need jaws is >>>> when >>>> I do an xl project or hard word format document. >>>> Since thats not done anymore since i am no longer needing to do stuff >>>> like >>>> that because I am no longer at uni, jaws is for a couple of journal >>>> sites, >>>> and a couple sights that lock hell. >>>> Up to the time i loaded k-lite mega codec I was using it to update and >>>> install realplayer. >>>> The only reason I keep it is actually because I need it in a low key >>>> way, >>>> but also as I spent loads on it. >>>> If you take away advanced semi graphical programs away, hal 5.21 can do >>>> most if not everything a home user wants. >>>> I was never able to nut out forms mode and in fact jaws seems to want >>>> forms as having some key presses as commands. >>>> I may try a demo of windoweyes. >>>> However I doubt unless I really need it that I will ever upgrade any >>>> screen reader I currently have. >>>> The truth is that the jaws thing came to late for my project and it >>>> ended >>>> without jaws when most needed. >>>> So I have a failed project and a whaping piece of expensive software I >>>> hardly need. >>>> Is it bad luck or what? >>>> At 09:12 a.m. 2/02/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, What I was attempting to do is register vb express. It can't >>>>> be >>>>> registered without a microsoft passport account. When I fill out the >>>>> form >>>>> to >>>>> get an account, which consists of all sorts of information, you >>>>> finally >>>>> at >>>>> the end of it all click I accept. What happens is that All the edit >>>>> fields >>>>> are wiped clean and there is no message of anything having been denied >>>>> or >>>>> accepted. When I attempted to use the passport, since it is also a >>>>> hotmail >>>>> account, it would not work, thus proving to me that the account wasn't >>>>> created. >>>>> I finally broke down and got my sister to fill in the form for passport, >>>>> and >>>>> jaws was on. This same thing occured with her, so she turned off jaws >>>>> and >>>>> redid the account and it worked. >>>>> I am not sure about any email that needs to be sent to me, except for >>>>> the >>>>> one that is sent to provide a key for the program, which will finally >>>>> complete the registration...man, this sounds like an accesible game >>>>> idea. >>>>> Fill in the account fields...or die! >>>>> I hope I explained what has been going on, and I am sorry for any >>>>> confusion. >>>>> allan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The truth will set you freehe... >>>>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:47 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I think we are on different pages. What are you trying to verify, if it >>>>>> is >>>>>> an email address, you wait for the email address associated with your >>>>>> Microsoft passport to be sent and click on the link. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "allan thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:34 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Sarah, >>>>>>> Are you using jaws 5.0? If you are then perhaps I am doing something >>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> allan >>>>>>> The truth will set you freehe... >>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:33 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> managed to verify my address with no problems. I just waited for an >>>>>>>> email >>>>>>>> to appear and clicked onthe link and then followed the prompts. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "allan thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:03 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Shaun for checking it out. It also appears that microsoft >>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>> want me to register vb studio express either. It has become an >>>>>>>>> exercise >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> frustration. >>>>>>>>> allan >>>>>>>>> The truth will set you freehe... >>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:43 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well alan I mannaged to verify an address but not approve it. >>>>>>>>>> In the old days before hotmail was secured I mad a passport and >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>>> to log in on an old email address with it. >>>>>>>>>> When I change my email I will keep my msn. >>>>>>>>>> I tried to get another but can't varify the address so went back >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> old address. >>>>>>>>>> At 04:59 p.m. 1/02/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello list, >>>>>>>>>>> for anyone who as ignorant as me, I felt it is necessary to tell >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> adventures with trying to get a microsoft passport created. >>>>>>>>>>> The biggest thing that must be remembered with this experience is >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> jaws must be unloaded, at least mine being jaws 5.0 or none of the >>>>>>>>>>> information put into the fields will be retained. So before you >>>>>>>>>>> push >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> accept button, take the steps required to prevent frustration. >>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the OT subject, but I thought it would be relevant >>>>>>>>>>> information. >>>>>>>>>>> later, >>>>>>>>>>> allan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The truth will set you freehe... >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth 33 AD >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to leave send a blank Email to: >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> You can contact the list owners/moderators by Emailing >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> to go nomail send a blank message to: >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> change "nomail" to "normal" to resume messages. >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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