Shawn, Ever give it a thought of putting a window in the gable and bringing up plywood through the opening to cover the floor in the attic? RJ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas
> > I see, thanks for the information. > > This home was built in 1941. back in the time in the U.S when things were > built to last! Not acording to who the cheapist contracter was. I'll have > to ask my neighbor but I bet his home is the same way with the 2 by 8's. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas > > > > Joists refer to horizontal structural members. They are the planks set on > > edge under a floor or over a ceiling. It gets a little complicated because > > when talking of a roof frame, the more or less triangular structures now > > commonly used and known as trusses will call the horizontal members > > stringers or something else. It is very unusual to have 2 by 8 as the > > joists > > over a ceiling except between the stories of a multi-storied home and > > usually those will be 2 by 10 or more. > > > > In a ceiling, 24 inch centres are not unusual even with 2 by 4 > > construction > > and these days with engineered trusses there may not even be 2 by 4. > > > > Partitions are the walls which separate rooms. The wall between kitchen > > and > > livingroom usually provides support for a ceiling particularly if it runs > > perpendicular to the ceiling joists. Often they are weight bearing walls > > and > > should not be removed or if modified, should be reinforced across the tops > > of doors to help support the weight above. > > > > > > > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Skype DaleLeavens > > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shawn Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas > > > > > >> > >> Just so I am using the right terminology are Joist the 2 by 8 boards that > >> go > >> across the sealing or the floor of the attic.? Also what are partitions? > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:57 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas > >> > >> > >>> The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on > >>> how > >>> many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. > >>> > >>> Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which > >>> comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them > >>> through > >>> the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet > >>> along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each > >>> piece. > >>> You may even be able to buy tongue & groove. Traditionally such planks > >>> are > >>> nailed down diagonally across the joists. > >>> > >>> If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring > >>> heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the > >>> space. > >>> You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of > >>> the > >>> roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an > >>> air > >>> conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the > >>> roof > >>> from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air > >>> circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over > >>> the > >>> ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space > >>> for > >>> storage then it won't matter much. > >>> > >>> You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people > >>> like > >>> to > >>> run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. > >>> > >>> Have fun! > >>> > >>> > >>> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Skype DaleLeavens > >>> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Shawn Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas > >>> > >>> > >>>> Okay, I had another look. > >>>> > >>>>> What do they have for a floor up there now? > >>>> a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a > >>>> guestament. > >>>> the beams up there are 2 by 8. > >>>> Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit > >>>> is > >>>> covered right now. > >>>>> > >>>>> Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the > >>>>> trap > >>>>> door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is > >>>>> nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, > >>>>> hammering > >>>>> and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will > >>>>> probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or > >>>>> nails > >>>>> to pop. > >>>> > >>>> Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I > >>>> didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You could screw or use a power nailer. > >>>> > >>>> Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. 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