What do you think happens to oil, salt, vinegar, bleach, all that stuff? I don't submit that Roundup disappears , it just doesn't persist in a form that kills vegetation. It becomes inert.
Dog urine also kills grass but the salts persist in the environment in strong enough concentrations to keep the grass and everything else dead for years until either removed or eventually diluted by successive rains. It may be that Roundup is environmentally more friendly than piss! It certainly behaves that way. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass > After you spray a plant with Roundup, what do you suppose happens to the > Roundup? Do you think it just vanishes off the plant? Compost is made > from > plant matter that has decayed. That decayed plant matter contains the > Roundup. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Dale Leavens > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:23 PM > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass > > Why would there be Roundup in compost? Particularly in those quantities > and > further, why would that even be a problem? I spray my fence lines about > three times a year and although it kills what ever green there is growing > there it certainly doesn't prevent it from coming back. I don't then > harvest > > the stuff for my compost stack it is true but so far the applications have > not interfered with new growth coming up. > > There are pre-emergent herbicides which do persist for some time in the > soil, I don't have any real knowledge of them but some farmers do use them > to keep early emerging weeds down before planting certain crops but I > don't > know where or why. > > Certain forms of 2 4D which are broad leafed herbicides also persist. They > have Estrogen like compounds which produce growth and because broad leaves > absorb more they grow themselves literally to death. Trouble is that these > may also contribute to certain growth defects including in children. > Products like Weed & Feed are usually some combination including 2 4D. > This > may be the worry as it is often widely used on lawns and golf courses to > keep them weed free. I confess I do generally lay down a spray in the > spring. > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> > Skype DaleLeavens > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> > > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:46 AM > Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass > >> It sounds like you own Monsanto stock. The landfills here which once >> charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to >> add >> plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the >> compost. If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] >> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM >> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass >> >> Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't >> poison >> the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come >> right up following application of Roundup. >> >> To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation. >> >> Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off >> the >> >> chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the >> soil and migrate to other areas too. >> >> You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush >> some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone >> will >> die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a >> couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It >> doesn't even have to touch the soil. >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> >> Skype DaleLeavens >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >> <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> > >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> >> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass >> >>> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not >>> effective >>> in >>> killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it >>> a >>> more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at >>> killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of >>> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling >>> water >>> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not >>> necessarily kill it. 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