p.s. using a biscuit joiner to cut a running groove in a workpiece never
crossed my mind either and strikes me as both difficult and dangerous. Keeping
the workpiece tightly clamped down would seem to be a significant problem.
--
Larry Martin
Woodworking for the Blind
--joining the world of blind wood workers
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From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks Larry,
>
> I only hope I didn't leave anything significant out.
>
> I was surprised to read in one of the magazines you sent along a use of the
> biscuit joiner to cut grooves by sliding the unit along while running. It
> never crossed my mind to do so but it is a quick and should be accurate way
> of cutting for splines and probably even the grooves to receive drawer
> bottoms and other applications.
>
> Mine is a porter cable which I have had for four or five years now, it
> includes a small cutter for #0 biscuits which I have used for mitering
> frames corners. It means changing the cutter blade but pretty cool.
>
> I read another article or rather you did but the builder used it to assemble
> drawer boxes. quick and strong if not classic joinery. For a lot of
> applications though this is exactly the answer, strong, accurate and fast.
>
> Any time that list members feel I may be over stepping they should feel free
> to say so. I often put quite a bit of effort into writing what I think is a
> clear explanation or description of things I have done or have observed and
> I do so because I am grateful for others who have taken the trouble to
> inform me. It is difficult for most of us blind people to learn from
> observation and sometimes it is just a very simple concept or understanding
> which, if missed can become a block to building more learning or
> understanding. This is not unique to the blind but we have fewer
> opportunities. I just hope to speed the process for others as others have
> for me.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
>
>
> > Dale, that was a thorough and well written response on biscuit joiners.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Martin
> > Woodworking for the Blind
> > --joining the world of blind wood workers
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Max, it wasn't a router he was using although there are router bits for
> >> cutting biscuit slots, he was using a specific tool called a biscuit
> >> joiner
> >> or also called a plate joiner.
> >>
> >> You purchase the biscuits which are actually elongated ovals made of dry
> >> and
> >> compressed beach wood. They swell when glue is applied. They come in
> >> about
> >> four sizes.
> >>
> >> The biscuit does fit or should fit pretty well half way into the slot on
> >> one
> >> side how ever it might have looked to you. As for strength, dowels and
> >> biscuits are not primarily for strengthening although they do that. The
> >> primary function is to align the joint in most applications. Dowels
> >> suffer
> >> from the direction of the grain which is usually across the grain of the
> >> mating surfaces and glue more firmly attaches in the long direction of
> >> the
> >> grain. The other main disadvantage of dowels is that accuracy is
> >> absolutely
> >> critical, not only must the holes align absolutely directly but they must
> >> be
> >> absolutely in line. Biscuit joinery allows for a little error.
> >>
> >> The plate joiner has a carbide tipped blade which is on a spring loaded
> >> travel. There is a fence, these vary from machine to machine but you can
> >> set
> >> the fence a particular distance from the slot through which the blade
> >> will
> >> protrude and will be parallel to the slot. Most will allow the fence to
> >> be
> >> tilted in both directions to allow you to cut slots in mitered assemblies
> >> and other angled fixation of differing angles. You can index off the
> >> fence
> >> or index off the bottom flat surface of the joiner.
> >>
> >> You then set the fence on the face of a board and bring the face with the
> >> slot tight against the edge of the board holding it there using a handle
> >> built for that purpose then turn on the machine and using the other hand
> >> you
> >> force the cutter through the slot and into the edge against the springs
> >> which plunges the blade into the edge of the board. Release so it runs
> >> back
> >> out with the spring assist then release the trigger so it shuts off.
> >>
> >> When I built my work bench I made up a frame rather like the shape of
> >> angle
> >> iron using three quarters plywood one edge to the face of the other and
> >> joined those with biscuits. I then mitered the corners and joined them
> >> with
> >> biscuits and clamped them up square. I might have used screws but I never
> >> would have got the corners strong that way and doweling the edges of
> >> plywood
> >> isn't all that satisfactory or probably reliable.
> >>
> >> when the biscuits get wet with glue not only does the glue bond but they
> >> swell and actually if you don't work fairly quickly they can be very
> >> difficult to set. This can be a disat\dvantage, Norm has mentioned on a
> >> couple of shows that biscuits set too close to the surface can cause
> >> slight
> >> dimpling to telegraph through the surface as the glue ages and I suppose
> >> the
> >> wood responds to changes in environmental moisture. On a very smooth
> >> finish
> >> this can be visible. So far I haven't noticed this.
> >>
> >> There is a new unit out there, called a domino joiner I believe, cuts a
> >> more
> >> rectangular hole and uses rectangular biscuits and an oscilating cutting
> >> action. These work more like floating mortise & tennon joints. I am not
> >> otherwise sure of the advantages, if they index easily enough I suppose
> >> you
> >> could use them to join rails & styles without cutting proper mortise &
> >> tenon
> >> joints. The biscuit joiners are plenty expensive but these domino joiners
> >> are really a lot more costly.
> >>
> >> Generally the correct term is Jointer. The machine is also sometimes
> >> called
> >> a planer but more usually that refers to a device for thicknessing the
> >> face
> >> of wood or for the hand held planers more usually with a 3 inch wide
> >> cutter
> >> head intended primarily for removing stock like the edge of a door.
> >> Joiner
> >> is sometimes used to refer to a jointer and I hear it more commonly used
> >> these days but the manufacturers still seem to refer to them as jointers.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps clear things up for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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> >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Blind Handyman" <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:36 PM
> >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Yankee workshop and questions.
> >>
> >>
> >> >I have watched only one episode of the Yankee workshop and already I
> >> >have
> >> > questions.
> >> >
> >> > He did a bisket joint. They didn't show him making the bisket. Do you
> >> > buy
> >> > them pre made? It was elliptical in shape which seems hard to make.
> >> > He
> >> > made the cutout with a plunge router which looked like he was making a
> >> > basically rectangular shaped cutout. When he dropped the bisket into
> >> > the
> >> > cutout it didn't fit at all tight. Also it went in more than half the
> >> > width
> >> > of the bisket. There was just a little peaking out. All in all this
> >> > doesn't seem like a very strong joint. In an infomercial I saw someone
> >> > making a dowel joint. It seems to me to be a much stronger joint. How
> >> > does
> >> > a bisket joint compare to a dowel joint. Also I'm not sure but I think
> >> > he
> >> > was using some kind of guide to keep the router in the center of the
> >> > edge
> >> > of
> >> > the board. If there is such a thing, what is it called?
> >> >
> >> > Also a pronunciation question. Dale and I had a conversation the other
> >> > night on FTP about a jointer. The yankee used one on the show but he
> >> > pronounced it joiner. Which is correct? Does it depend on where you
> >> > come
> >> > from?
> >> >
> >> > Regards.
> >> >
> >> > Max. K 4 O D S.
> >> >
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