I know the word "chesterfield" as meaning a * settle, and it is also a brand of
cigarette is it not?
and am I correct in thinking that it was one of the brands promoted by Bond:
James Bond", or was it
another character in fiction? Philip Marlow?
Jewel
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From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] terms
Here is something I found on the subject.
Changes in Progress in Canadian English
couch is replacing chesterfield
Excerpt from J.K. Chambers, "The Canada-U.S. border as a vanishing isogloss:
the evidence of chesterfield." Journal of English Linguistics 23 (1995):
156-66.
The most comprehensive evidence of the decline [of the Canadianism
chesterfield] comes from the survey called Dialect Topography of the Golden
Horseshoe
(Chambers 1992). This postal survey, undertaken in the winter of 1991-92,
elicited linguistic responses from a large representative sample in Canada's
most populous region, the so-called Golden Horseshoe around the western tip
of Lake Ontario. The region takes in the conurbations of Oshawa,
Scarborough,
Toronto, Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington, Hamilton, St. Catharines,
Welland and Niagara Falls. Over five million people, more than one-sixth of
Canada's
population, live in this 250km strip.
The 80 American respondents on the U.S. side of Niagara answered the
question about the name they used for the long upholstered seat that holds
three or
four people in a straightforward way: 81.2% said couch, another 12.5% said
sofa, 2.5% said davenport (two people) and coach (two others), and one said
love seat. The Canadians, by contrast, provided eleven terms. Moreover,
whereas none of the Americans responded with more than one term, 70 of the
935
Canadians did.
Table with 13 columns and 9 rows
O
X
S
D
E
L
l
J
V
B
chair
14-1 9
85.0 (57)
6.0
(4)
6.0
(4)
-
-
1.5
(1)
1.5
(1)
-
-
-
-
%
(N)
20-2 9
78.9
(251)
6.2
(20)
13.5
(43)
-
0.6
(2)
0.3
(1)
-
-
-
-
0.3
(1)
%
(N)
30-3 9
65.5
(116)
16.3
(29)
18.0
(32)
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
%
(N)
40-4 9
48.7
(81)
30.7
(51)
19.9
(33)
-
0.6
(1)
-
-
-
-
-
-
%
(N)
50-5 9
23.5
(28)
54.6
(65)
21.8
(26)
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
%
(N)
60-6 9
20.5
(8)
69.2
(27)
2.5
(1)
-
7.7
(3)
-
-
-
-
-
-
%
(N)
70-7 9
9.5
(4)
66.7
(28)
19.0
(8)
2.4
(1)
-
-
-
2.4
(1)
-
-
-
%
(N)
over 80
5.9
(5)
72.6
(61)
13.0
(11)
1.2
(1)
2.4
(2)
1.2
(1)
-
1.2
(1)
1.2
(1)
1.2
(1)
-
%
(N)
table end
Table 1: Lexical choices of Canadian respondents by age groups,
with each item shown as a percentage (with the total in parentheses).
The columns are labeled with the following abbreviations:
O 'couch', X 'chesterfield', S 'sofa', D 'davenport', E 'settee', L 'love
seat',
l 'love couch', J 'lounge', V 'divan', B "bank', and 'chair'.
Table 1 divides the Canadian respondents into age groups and lists the
percentage of each group (with the raw score in parentheses) for each term.
Only
three of the terms,couch, chesterfield, and sofa,occur in all age groups.
The other terms,davenport, settee, love seat, love couch, lounge, divan,
bank
and chair have very little currency.
An obvious observation about Table 1 is that the percentages decline
steadily as you scan the first column, couch, from top to bottom, that is,
from the
youngest to the oldest, and conversely the percentages increase as you scan
the second column, chesterfield, from top to bottom. Sofa, in the third
column,
shows a slight and inexplicable currency among the middle groups, from ages
30 to 59, suggesting that it briefly, but unsuccessfully, competed with
couch
when chesterfield was losing ground. Among the other terms, settee occurs
widely enough to give it status as a variant in the Golden Horseshoe. The
others
may well be family terms (bank from an 80-year-old woman whose parents were
Dutch), or nonce terms (love couch, lounge), or mistakes (chair from a
20-year-old
university student from St. Catharines).
The rapid replacement of the indigenous chesterfield by the American
standard term couch is graphically evident in Figure 1, which plots the use
of these
two terms by the age groups, from the oldest to the youngest.
Fig. 1: Use of couch and chesterfield by different age groups,
with the oldest on the left and the youngest on the right.
The chronology of the decline of chesterfield and the rise of couch can be
inferred from the apparent-time display in Figure 1. Chesterfield remains
the
most frequent term for people 50 and over. In the 1930s, when the 50-59
year- olds were born, it was presumably nearly unanimous. In the 1950s, when
the
30-39-year-olds were born, it was being supplanted, and in the 1970s, when
the youngest group represented here was born, it was coming to be associated
with the speech of older people. They consider it to be 'quaint', and it is
sometimes unknown by younger people.
lingbtn
jack
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:04 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] terms
> Dale: all:
>
> Settee is used in Australia.
> A chesterfield, over here, is what was described as a davenport earlier in
> this thread.
>
> David
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Jewel Blanch
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:48 AM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] terms
>
> I have never heard anyone use the word: settee, or though posh people
> might, but I don't frequent dem soicles, so how would I know?
> Sofa or couch is the general term.
> Oh, from the description, I think that I own a davenport!
>
> Jewel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Leavens
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] terms
>
>
> In many places here in Canada we also refer to it as a chesterfield. I am
> not aware of that term being used anywhere else.
>
> I have never heard the term Settee outside of Britain but I expect it is
> used in New Zealand and Australia.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jewel Blanch
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] terms
>
> Thanks for the clarification David, but there must be others on the list
> who are confused too for
> they said that sofa, settee, couch and davenport were names for,
> virtually
> the same piece of
> furniture.
>
> Jewel
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> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] terms
>
> Jewl:
>
> No, a davenport is a sloping writing desk with various draws, grab holes
> etc
> in it.
> Typical of the sort that were used in banks of old.
> I have a nice one on my landing here about 1920 made of French Walnut.
> The spreaders are curved to accommodate a round stool which was typically
> used with them.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Jewel Blanch
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 5:31 AM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] terms
>
> I think that a davenport differs from a settee, sofa or couch in that it
> is
> a box in which books etc can be stored with a liftup padded lid that is
> used
> as a seat!
>
> Jewel
>
> -----
> From: Scott Howell
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] terms
>
> And if memory serves me, my grandparents who lived in Ohio called a
> couch a davenport and where that comes from is beyond me.
>
> On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>
> > Hi Tune Collector,
> >
> > In terms of a sedan, it is a car with four doors or more, likewise,
> > a coupe
> > has only two doors to it.
> >
> > Just for FYI, a hatchback is a car with two or four doors, but with
> > a door
> > that opens up in the rear of the car, either up, like a dove's wing,
> > or out,
> > like a regular door.
> >
> > Most mini-vans these days have an open dove's wing type door in the
> > back,
> > similar to a hatchback, just to give you an idea of what a hatchback
> > door
> > looks like.
> >
> > IN terms of a sofa, couch, settee and such, a lot depends on where
> > you live.
> >
> > Each of those are types of couches you can buy.
> >
> > Just like a Chesterfield, or a lay-Z-Boy, it all has to do with the
> > way
> > they're made, and the country you live in.
> >
> > Some couches are available in various parts of the world, like a
> > sofa is
> > mainly European, and a settee is mainly French, and again, it has to
> > do with
> > the way they're made in those countries.
> >
> > That's not to say you can't get these in North America, you just end
> > up
> > paying through the nose to get them.
> >
> > I guess it's the price of being chic.
> >
> > Victor Gouveia
> >
> >
> >
>
> Scott Howell
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