for one if I walk into a shop and want to pick up a table saw or chaine saw 
why not sell it to me. For one how do they know that it's for me not a 
friends Birthday or a Christmas gift for me or a friend? I think if you're 
playing with sharp tools and injure yourself do to wood being warped and 
slipping or something unmechanical that it's not their falt. If you buy the 
machine and the blade comes spinning off and the screw is stripped or 
something like that and is clear that it was stuck on and that you just 
bought it because you still have the recete or something then I would see 
something being done about that but if you injure yourself by something that 
you're doing or that the wood is doing then it's not their fault and you 
should use precossion when working around electric machines. My friend has 
no fingertips on his one hand anymore because he was using a radial arm saw 
and the wood was a little warped and somehow pulled his hand in and chopped 
the ends off. The radial arm saw that is the one that you can pull back and 
forward to cut correct? I know the mitor saw, Extention cut off saw, might 
be the one that I'm thinking. I thought that the radial arm saw was the one 
that went up and down but that was the band saw. Anyway he cut his fingers 
off 20 years ago but still is in the shop today and really things happen. If 
I'm doing some shopping around by phone I will not tell them that I'm blind 
because I'm just wanting information on a product and who cares if it's for 
me or for a friend and I'm picking it up.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jewel
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] "can this be used by the blind?"



A couple of years ago, I bought a 20 inch chainsaw, and although I had been 
using these saws for
years without having an accident, the salesman said that he would not sell 
it to me, unless I signed
a waiver stating that I would not sue the shop if I had an injury accident.
I did, but had no need to do so, as New Zealand has a "no fault" scheme 
wherein a person cannot
bring an injury suit against an individual or corporate company.
This scheme is funded by the government and levies on employers.
However, The income of the ACC [accident compensation commission] is falling 
far below its expenses,
and it is now in debt to the tune of about 4 billion dollars.
The Government is looking at bringing in a law to make compulsory private 
health and accident
insurance.

Jewel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kennedy" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] "can this be used by the blind?"

Couldn't agree more!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tom Fowle
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] "can this be used by the blind?"

Moderators, if this is unacceptably off topic I'll understand.

Just to state my policy and maybe to cause a little "OT" flap,

When I call a seller of a product that is not intended for blind folks, i
never mention blindness or ask if there product can be used
by the blind.

Firstly how are they supposed to know, most sighted people havn't a clue,
and second, you run the risk as was the case with a previous maker of 
talking
meters, of causing the dealer to panic in fear of suits, and refuse to sell 
the
product to blind folks.

Mentioning blindness in that situation so rarely gets a usefull or positive
response, and so often causes demonstrations of ignorance and prejudice,
I don't think it's worth the risk.

There are rare exceptions, sometimes in the case of travel it is to one's
advantage to let a responsible hotel or airline etc. know you're blind and 
so
on. But asking shmuck and company if there latest whizbang
can be used by the blind is worse than a waiste of time.

Tom Fowle

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