Thanks John, I'll keep this in mind once I get in there and start digging around. The fun part will be balancing the monster while I work on it. But you know, I think it'll work just perfectly with patience.
On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:10 AM, John Sherrer wrote: > You may not need to be concerned with the water problem since your ground is > hard,. The concrete should fill in with the ground and leave no gaps. If > the slope is higher than the pad, you definately will not have a problem. > I would fill the whole pad with concrete and skip the gravel. The gravel > wsaves some of the back breaking work of mixing concrete since it reduces > your concrete needs. If the pad is made in such a way that it is always dry > you will have mo movement. > In North Carolina where I live the soil will absorb gravel, so in a few > years it will be gone. But if kept dry, it will not happen. But with our > hard soil, we have no problems with pouring concrete directly on the clay. > > John > http://WhiteCane.org > http://BlindWoodWorker.com > http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane > http://anellos.ws > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Howell" <scottn3...@gmail.com> > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:48 AM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Raddling heat pump > > > Hey this is a really great idea, but let me ask a couple other questions > > on the actual digging part here. > > I think supporting the unit will not be to difficult, but digging under > > the unit may be more of a challenge. I can probably lift it to some degree > > without breaking lines and the like. > > Now I will have to start digging a couple of feet in front of the unit in > > order to dig under. Now how deep should I dig my hole? If the pad would be > > 3 to 4 inches, I assume another two for gravel? Since this is on a slope, > > I will need to ensure the ground is level of course, but to help avoid as > > much as possible with the ground eroding over time, should I do anything > > else? I am thinking that the ground slopes sharply right by the heat pump > > and I think the idea is water etc. runs under the unit and on down the > > hill. I wonder if building that up and trying to direct the water to run > > elsewhere would help. I know this is hard to describe, but all thoughts > > appreciated. > > > > On Aug 2, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Bob Kennedy wrote: > > > >> They usually don't pour a pad when they install a new unit. Most units > >> come > >> with a pad as a part of shipping, or the contractor brings one with him. > >> > >> I've had to replace pads before, and didn't want to disconnect the lines > >> to > >> the house. To do this, you have to rig up a temporary support for the > >> unit. > >> > >> I used a couple patio blocks,the 16 by 8 by 2 inch kind, and once they > >> were > >> higher than the current pad, I spanned the pad with a couple 2 by 6's. > >> > >> Just be careful lifting the unit at funny angles. > >> > >> It may be a little easier to put the wood under the unit first and then > >> stack the blocks. You can use a 2 by something as a pry bar to get one > >> end > >> at a time up enough to fit the last block under the 2 by 6. > >> > >> Once you have everything clear of the faulty pad, you have to remove the > >> pad. This may mean you have to do a little landscaping to make a path out > >> for it. > >> > >> Finally you will have to make a new pad. > >> > >> With space being tight like it will be, screw a 3 sided form together and > >> then slide it under the 2 by 6's. Screw it together so you can take it > >> apart. I'd spread some gravel on the ground and then mix as much concrete > >> as you need to make the new pad 3 or 4 inches thick. As the form fills > >> up, > >> you can add the final 2 by 4 across the front to keep the concrete from > >> falling out. Let it dry for a couple days and take the form apart. > >> Finally, lower the unit on to its new home and you should be good for > >> longer > >> than the unit will last. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Scott Howell" <scottn3...@gmail.com> > >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:16 AM > >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Raddling heat pump > >> > >> > Hey Alan, > >> > > >> > I agree the job is worth doing right the first time because I sure do > >> > not > >> > want to come back and do it again. If I leave it where it is, I will > >> > have > >> > to do something to permanently fix the situation. THe pad is this > >> > plastic > >> > thing the unit sits on. I guess they do not poor concrete pads any > >> > longer. > >> > > >> > On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote: > >> > > >> >> The part about protecting it as much as possible is very true. It > >> >> depends > >> >> on the shape of the pad. If it's full of cracks etc, you might be > >> >> better > >> >> off just to move it into an area where it is better protected and just > >> >> get a > >> >> new pad and have it fully supported. The nice part about that is you > >> >> probably only need to do it once. If it's worth doing, it's worth > >> >> doing > >> >> the > >> >> right way. > >> >> > >> >> Alan > >> >> > >> >> Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > >> >> There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on > >> >> the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! > >> >> > >> >> The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still > >> >> available upon request. > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Scott Howell" <scottn3...@gmail.com> > >> >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:21 PM > >> >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Raddling heat pump > >> >> > >> >> > Hi folks, > >> >> > > >> >> > Well I am going to finally get around to doing something about my > >> >> > heat > >> >> > pump. THe one suggestion someone gave was to pull the unit off the > >> >> > pad, > >> >> > remove the existing pad, put some pipes in the ground with concrete, > >> >> > and > >> >> > set the pad on the pipes. THis would help keep the unit level. Of > >> >> > course > >> >> > this requires the unit be pumped down and I would have to have a > >> >> > contractor come out and remove and reinstall the unit. > >> >> > I am trying to determine if there is any other way of doing this > >> >> > beyond > >> >> > moving the unit around to the side of the house. THe only issue > >> >> > there > >> >> > is > >> >> > it would be exposed to the sun all year round, which may not matter, > >> >> > but > >> >> > the HVAC contractor that fixed it recently stated in so many words > >> >> > it > >> >> > is > >> >> > better to protect it from the sun if possible. > >> >> > The problem I am dealing with is the yard slopes and the ground is > >> >> > slowly > >> >> > eroding and causing the unit to become off balance. I doubt it would > >> >> > be > >> >> > easy to dig under the pad while the unit is sitting on it and jack > >> >> > it > >> >> > up > >> >> > enough to really get under there and build up the ground. 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