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On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 4:01:08 PM UTC-7 Chris Harrelson wrote: > LGTM! > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 4:00 PM 'Lu Huang' via blink-dev < > blin...@chromium.org> wrote: > >> Update: there was an A11Y bug which blocked the start in M93. This bug >> has been fixed in M95 and we are working on merging it back to M94. We >> would now like to start OT in M94, to run through M97. >> >> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:21:43 PM UTC-7 mk...@chromium.org wrote: >> >>> LGTM, thank you. >>> >>> -mike >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:05 PM Lu Huang <lu.h...@microsoft.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for confirming with others. We would like to get permission to >>>> start OT in Chromium *M93*, running through *M95*. Planning to add >>>> user preferences WebUI in *M94. * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Mike West <mk...@chromium.org> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:07 AM >>>> *To:* Lu Huang <lu.h...@microsoft.com> >>>> *Cc:* Mandy Chen (SHE/HER) <mandy...@microsoft.com>; >>>> blin...@chromium.org <blin...@chromium.org> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Experiment: >>>> Progressive Web Apps as URL Handlers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've confirmed with folks internally that y'all are on the same page >>>> with regard to the UX, thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I should have asked previously: in what timeframe do you plan to run >>>> the origin trial? >>>> >>>> >>>> -mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM 'Lu Huang' via blink-dev < >>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Adding to Mandy's reply re. Chromium's implementation: >>>> >>>> - Web app manifest content does not have to change for WAOA file >>>> changes to get validated during the manifest update check. >>>> - WAOA files needed by a particular web app can be revalidated at most >>>> once a day (because of the web app manifest update throttle period). >>>> - There is no upper limit to the time before WAOA files are revalidated >>>> if the browser never navigates to the app's scope. >>>> >>>> - It's possible for the user to always dismiss the app picker >>>> dialog when URL handling happens. The app never updates and WAOA files are >>>> never revalidated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Broadly speaking, the guarantee we have in the Chromium implementation >>>> is that any app that is actively visited (*) by the user will have its >>>> required WAOA files revalidated. >>>> >>>> (*) There is an unlikely edge case: if an app is visited actively but >>>> never navigates any URL within its scope, manifest update and WAOA >>>> revalidation will not take place. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:55:26 AM UTC-7 Mandy Chen (SHE/HER) >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Web app origin association revalidation schedule is the same as that of >>>> manifest update. It’s triggered by app launch or app page load, and it’s >>>> throttled to once a day. When the browser restarts, we also clear any last >>>> updated timestamp information, so on the next app launch/page load, we >>>> also >>>> update the manifest and revalidate web app origin associations. See the >>>> “On >>>> Manifest Update” section of the Web App Origin Association design doc: Web >>>> App Origin Association Design - Google Docs >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F14-_u_DSUKCC0XT9rWgQz9SytDQpCet--KVROV_YTkGw%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.a3ehq6f4vy2k&data=04%7C01%7CLu.Huang%40microsoft.com%7Cf7298953186f44d01a5808d94d3326ff%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C0%7C0%7C637625704393516823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ugKh0YOQCP1LmKqQ3mlCZwvp8toDff%2BfhzIAZKygsxM%3D&reserved=0> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me know if there’re more questions. Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Mike West <mk...@chromium.org> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:17 AM >>>> *To:* Mandy Chen (SHE/HER) <mandy...@microsoft.com> >>>> *Cc:* blin...@chromium.org >>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Experiment: >>>> Progressive Web Apps as URL Handlers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In Chrome's internal security review, folks had some questions about >>>> the revalidation schedule (which seems pretty critical). It's not clear to >>>> me from the docs linked here what that looks like in Chromium's >>>> implementation. Can you clarify the mechanism and the guarantees it >>>> provides? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd also note that I appreciate the work y'all have done with Chrome's >>>> permissions/UX folks to deal with concerns in >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pL9VexY86o3YW-iP1iN_O2fzj9QBqvBQm7CWMl5Djf0/edit#heading=h.aqp7s0iku4eb >>>> >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1pL9VexY86o3YW-iP1iN_O2fzj9QBqvBQm7CWMl5Djf0%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.aqp7s0iku4eb&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210475548%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=khN4f%2BCBf2PJ2igvzVrK%2FqSYWiscZnCN6p8sdi5nMZo%3D&reserved=0>. >>>> >>>> I'll confirm with them that you're on the same page. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> -mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:31 AM 'Mandy Chen (SHE/HER)' via blink-dev < >>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>> Contact emails >>>> >>>> lu.h...@microsoft.com, mandy...@microsoft.com, luig...@microsoft.com, >>>> m...@chromium.org >>>> Explainer >>>> >>>> https://github.com/WICG/pwa-url-handler >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWICG%2Fpwa-url-handler&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210485532%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fu3SAChcVtbCkb0WetFys5kxiwbOHQMCJ1hovQNuZ6Q%3D&reserved=0> >>>> Specification >>>> >>>> Pending >>>> API spec >>>> >>>> Yes >>>> Design docs >>>> >>>> >>>> https://github.com/WICG/pwa-url-handler >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWICG%2Fpwa-url-handler&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210495529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U9WFZQsvyPXeFGNuegMQdKTgpQ3zk9XEn%2FDbAx%2BdXlI%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19dGklalQTRtRrG3PKrVbDRmYPLHGLnsGEwUaed7sAFQ/edit?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F19dGklalQTRtRrG3PKrVbDRmYPLHGLnsGEwUaed7sAFQ%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210495529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=imsQmaqdDIsoDzxaYS5V2G9ki2i8rc7gVsGjyUxZl%2B4%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14-_u_DSUKCC0XT9rWgQz9SytDQpCet--KVROV_YTkGw/edit?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F14-_u_DSUKCC0XT9rWgQz9SytDQpCet--KVROV_YTkGw%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210505525%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=GjhYeiEEJe%2BvAevlfQsNJlhdMDV8R098%2FySyAGH7cMQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> Summary >>>> >>>> Enables web applications to register as https URL handlers using their >>>> web app manifest. >>>> >>>> >>>> Blink component >>>> >>>> UI>Browser>WebAppInstalls >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.chromium.org%2Fp%2Fchromium%2Fissues%2Flist%3Fq%3Dcomponent%3AUI%253EBrowser%253EWebAppInstalls&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210515519%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=1gHYOUzqkpYZrnq8VNza3xNdukrzLn0vu1Su4EnvTLw%3D&reserved=0> >>>> TAG review >>>> >>>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/552 >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3ctag%2Fdesign-reviews%2Fissues%2F552&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210515519%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=5%2B%2ByTCFyKuaABNZBimXNi9YKEtxFH675kNjyvl%2BqbSQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> TAG review status >>>> >>>> Pending >>>> Risks >>>> >>>> >>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>> >>>> This feature is new to the web and web apps that do not opt in will not >>>> be affected because any additions to the web app manifest will be >>>> optional. >>>> Browser behavior will also not be affected if there are no installed apps >>>> that opt in. Browser that do not support this feature will not be >>>> adversely >>>> affected by new members in the web app manifest. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gecko*: No signal ( >>>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/550 >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmozilla%2Fstandards-positions%2Fissues%2F550&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210525521%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=1EaRSlmt1dZl8hRYT7gRyRT9xnAJB7nnCW0BQiJ9tUY%3D&reserved=0> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> *WebKit*: No signal ( >>>> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-July/031920.html >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.webkit.org%2Fpipermail%2Fwebkit-dev%2F2021-July%2F031920.html&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210535513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=lSGfPpRkz350tCWLkAshaNym4aH5duKPMeMfNNZuyRQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> *Web developers*: Positive ( >>>> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/click-url-to-open-pwa-automatically/m-p/2192994 >>>> >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechcommunity.microsoft.com%2Ft5%2Fdiscussions%2Fclick-url-to-open-pwa-automatically%2Fm-p%2F2192994&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210545510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MmQtFn%2BW2zmzW7ce4B5r7C8ncn1IxlVNaJKhaKZsMBw%3D&reserved=0> >>>> ) >>>> Security >>>> >>>> >>>> https://github.com/WICG/pwa-url-handler/blob/main/explainer.md#security-considerations >>>> >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWICG%2Fpwa-url-handler%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fexplainer.md%23security-considerations&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210555507%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dHsvfZM8RkJYtm9jd0bcbuOlcwuyubISIZfvlFU31%2F0%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> >>>> Goals for experimentation >>>> >>>> Allow third party developers to use the API and provide feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>> Reason this experiment is being extended >>>> >>>> N/A, not extending. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ongoing technical constraints >>>> >>>> None >>>> >>>> >>>> Debuggability >>>> >>>> Debug functionality will be added to the the DevTools(F12) Application >>>> pane. >>>> >>>> >>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, >>>> Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)? >>>> >>>> No >>>> >>>> Supported in the browser on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Integration with >>>> OS features will vary. >>>> >>>> >>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchromium.googlesource.com%2Fchromium%2Fsrc%2F%2B%2Fmaster%2Fdocs%2Ftesting%2Fweb_platform_tests.md&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210555507%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qS12G91ULF%2BcnRagiFh%2FGNKLIIiNfAmCf7LMyfqljO8%3D&reserved=0> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> No >>>> DevTrial instructions >>>> >>>> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/ >>>> 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