Hi Yoav, That comment is specifically for adding the `unsanitized` option to the clipboard API spec to which Apple opposed as they don't want to support(at least currently) reading/writing custom format or unsanitized well-known format if it's not within the same origin. That means, exchanging custom pickled formats between web app & native app wouldn't be supported on Safari. We think that this scenario is essential for unlocking high fidelity copy/paste scenarios for native/web apps developers. The `unsanitized` option is required if we want to support reading the standard MIME types (text/html, image/png etc) from the pickled format map<https://github.com/w3c/editing/blob/gh-pages/docs/clipboard-pickling/explainer.md#os-interaction-format-naming> which would return the unsanitized version of the format. Currently, there is no way for us to differentiate between reading the standard MIME types from well-known native formats<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/dataxchg/standard-clipboard-formats> and pickled format map<https://github.com/w3c/editing/blob/gh-pages/docs/clipboard-pickling/explainer.md#os-interaction-format-naming> without the `unsanitized` option, so we decided to add this option to the `ClipboardItemOptions` dictionary that would be available only on Chromium browsers. FWIW there is already an option in `ClipboardItemOptions` that is very specific to iPadOS/iOS and it's only supported in Safari: https://github.com/w3c/clipboard-apis/pull/162#issuecomment-974334049. I'm not even sure how this option was able to make it to the spec, but we certainly would have opposed to this change. Please let me know if you have any other concerns/questions.
Thanks, Anupam From: Yoav Weiss <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 8:22 AM To: blink-dev <[email protected]> Cc: Alex Russell <[email protected]>; Abhishek Rathi <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; Anupam Snigdha <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; Bo Cupp <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; Joshua Bell <[email protected]>; Victor Costan <[email protected]>; Scott Low <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Intent to Ship: Pickling for Async Clipboard API Reading through the issues, I saw this comment<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fclipboard-apis%2Fissues%2F150%23issuecomment-994181053&data=04%7C01%7Csnianu%40microsoft.com%7C59c9d28a15684b51c70708d9bfe7018c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637751821186344312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=aNi15oC6966%2FfmSVcvxjdc6mGLXiDo3DsN42votxiHU%3D&reserved=0>, which suggests that the `unsantizied` option would be removed. That change is not yet reflected in the explainer<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fblob%2Fgh-pages%2Fdocs%2Fclipboard-pickling%2Fexplainer.md&data=04%7C01%7Csnianu%40microsoft.com%7C59c9d28a15684b51c70708d9bfe7018c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637751821186394310%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=SCvooObw4my%2BtbFVeziwqDrRcyXoPN%2F8vezEYkwbQrc%3D&reserved=0>, and seems like a big change. Can you outline the plan? On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:02:55 AM UTC+1 Alex Russell wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Sean and Abishek. Sounds like strong developer support; hoping this will get resolved this week. On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 10:04:09 AM UTC-8 Abhishek Rathi wrote: At Excel Online, we tried this in our dev environments have seen significant improvement in Copy Paste fidelity from desktop apps. This will improve user experience especially for app specific features like formulas, tables, etc. On Tuesday, 7 December, 2021 at 10:31:44 pm UTC+5:30 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Happy to see movement on this. Just a note to say that we would like to use this feature at Adobe, and would be interested in using it in Photoshop Web, Creative Cloud Canvas, and potentially other future web initiatives, particularly for interop with our desktop applications. (With the understanding, of course, that said applications would have to be updated to read the custom web format map.) 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The name of the clipboard format is mangled by the browser in a standardized way to indicate that the content is from the web, which allows native applications to opt-in to accepting the unsanitized content. 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Part of the value of this work is to standardize the names of the formats that will be written per platform and to ensure a common shape of data on the clipboard so that browsers can read and write from this standard set of pickled formats. 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Web developers: Positive (https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/636#issuecomment-854038820<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3ctag%2Fdesign-reviews%2Fissues%2F636%23issuecomment-854038820&data=04%7C01%7Csnianu%40microsoft.com%7C59c9d28a15684b51c70708d9bfe7018c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637751821186444314%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ChGQdT0Dx4zhmN34Hs6R8nAGEJfUU7kkXjc3VvrKxF4%3D&reserved=0>) Positive signal from Figma & Sketchup. Internal MS office products have shown interest in supporting this API. Other signals: Ergonomics This feature is part of the existing async clipboard read/write. It doesn't affect the well-defined formats that are supported by this API. Activation The feature uses the existing async clipboard read/write methods which has already been shipped. 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