Re Linux: I'm hoping we can just use the same code on Linux so that we have overlay scrollbars everywhere. Rahul, would that work code-wise?
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 3:40 PM Ian Kilpatrick <ikilpatr...@chromium.org> wrote: > Exciting! > > Adding onto Rahul's answer here a little - overlay scrollbars (or > scrollbars which take to zero space) already exist on other platforms (e.g. > they are the default on OSX). It won't/shouldn't be a web compat concern as > most websites handle this already. > > An interesting side effect of this will likely be that we'll see more > sites (who are built after this change goes in) assume that scrollbars are > always zero width (as this is now the default on all platforms except > linux?) and as a result more content going forward being broken for those > users who opt-out. > (To be clear there isn't much we can do about this - but an interesting > side effect). > > Ian > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 2:51 PM 'Rahul Arakeri' via blink-dev < > blink-dev@chromium.org> wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> >> >> Sure, I’ve created a chromestatus entry here: >> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5693137379917824 >> >> And yes, this proposed change is expected to have an impact on the page’s >> layout. In it’s default state, the scrollbars will be in “minimal mode” >> (aka overlay scrollbars). These will *not* take up any layout space >> (whereas, today in Chromium, the default scrollbars take up 17px AFAIK). >> >> The users will however still have an option to “Always show scrollbars” >> via an OS setting. These *will* take up layout space (similar to what >> Chromium scrollbars do today). >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rahul >> >> >> >> *From:* Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 12:20 PM >> *To:* Rahul Arakeri <arak...@microsoft.com> >> *Cc:* blink-dev@chromium.org; Robert Flack <fla...@chromium.org>; >> wangxianzhu <wangxian...@chromium.org>; p...@chromium.org; >> input-...@chromium.org; Yaroslav Shalivskyy <yshalivs...@microsoft.com>; >> Olga Gerchikov <gerch...@microsoft.com>; Sahir Vellani < >> sahir.vell...@microsoft.com>; Ben Mathwig <benjamin.math...@microsoft.com >> > >> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to implement: Fluent >> Scrollbars. >> >> >> >> Hi Rahul, >> >> >> >> Would you mind creating a chromestatus entry for this intent? (See "Step >> 0" at http://dev.chromium.org/blink/launching-features >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdev.chromium.org%2Fblink%2Flaunching-features&data=04%7C01%7Carakeri%40microsoft.com%7Cdb3d12f9cc6a4f36908f08d9e29b810a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637789979807067709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=kyz0DUUmdkzme6t8k2JiratsHd7AIb1lMnyAVMaKnEo%3D&reserved=0> >> for a link). >> >> >> >> Also, out of curiosity (because I don't know much about scrollbars) - >> will this proposed change have an impact on a page's layout? >> >> >> >> thanks, >> Mike >> >> >> >> On 1/28/22 2:50 PM, 'Rahul Arakeri' via blink-dev wrote: >> >> *Intent to implement: Fluent Scrollbars.* >> >> >> >> *Contact emails* >> >> Rahul Arakeri: arak...@microsoft.com >> >> Yaroslav Shalivskyy: yshalivs...@microsoft.com >> >> Sahir Vellani: sahir.vell...@microsoft.com >> >> Olga Gerchikov: gerch...@microsoft.com >> >> Ben Mathwig: benjamin.math...@microsoft.com >> >> >> >> *Visual Spec* >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EpJnWAcPCxBQo6zPGR1Tg1NACiIJ-6dk7cYyK1DhBWw/edit >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1EpJnWAcPCxBQo6zPGR1Tg1NACiIJ-6dk7cYyK1DhBWw%2Fedit&data=04%7C01%7Carakeri%40microsoft.com%7Cdb3d12f9cc6a4f36908f08d9e29b810a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637789979807067709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=8dYuVqC4XA6X7wfHMx3gg12xLJpTpuPovAbZUsaJlzQ%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> *Summary* >> >> This proposal is to modernize the Chromium scrollbars (both overlay and >> non-overlay) to fit the Windows 11 Fluent design language. As a part of >> this effort, we are proposing to update the visual appearance along with >> some changes to how users interact with overlay scrollbars. >> >> >> >> *Motivation* >> >> As the rest of Windows has been embracing WinUI and native Fluent >> controls, certain non-XAML apps like Chromium-based browsers still use the >> traditional (Win32 looking) scrollbars. As such, we believe that the visual >> appearance of scrollbars could use an update in the interest of maintaining >> homogeneity with the rest of Windows. >> >> In a nutshell, we’re proposing that the default scrollbars should act >> more like overlay scrollbars, be thinner, have insets and rounded edges. >> Users will still have an option to select non overlay scrollbars via the >> "Always show scrollbars" OS setting. Non overlay scrollbars will also be >> restyled to match Windows theme. For details on scrollbar styling and state >> transitions, please see the visual spec linked above. >> >> Also, please note that since some HTML controls (like <textarea> and >> <select>) depend on the ScrollbarThemes(s) that are being refreshed, they >> too will also get the new scrollbars. >> >> >> >> *Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, >> Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)?* >> >> No, this is aimed at Windows for now. 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