LGTM to experiment M104

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 8:15 AM Kenji Baheux <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Just 1 milestone should be enough, assuming that everything goes according
> to plan.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 4:33 PM Yoav Weiss <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 9:26 AM Kenji Baheux <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 4:39 PM Yoav Weiss <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 4:55 AM Minoru Chikamune <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Contact emails
>>>>>
>>>>> [email protected], [email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>> Explainer:
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>
>>>>>    https://github.com/nyaxt/lazyembeds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Specification: https://github.com/nyaxt/lazyembeds
>>>>>
>>>>> Summary: LazyEmbeds aims to improve LCP and power consumption by
>>>>> delaying the iframe loads outside the viewport when all of the following
>>>>> conditions are met.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>
>>>>>    The loading=eager or loading=lazy are not specified in the iframe
>>>>>    tag.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>
>>>>>    The iframe's src URL matches a pre-curated list of 3rd party
>>>>>    embeds that have opted-in to the experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How have the 3P embeds opted-in to the experiment? Is this a closed
>>>> partner list for the experiment phase?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the miscommunication.
>>>
>>> There isn't an actual opt-in. For the purpose of establishing the
>>> potential benefits, the code is applying loading=lazy to a small list of
>>> popular embeds. We gave a heads-up to these embedders as a matter of
>>> courtesy, and to give folks the opportunity to push back or share concerns.
>>> So far, we haven't heard any major concerns.
>>>
>>> We'll revisit this particular point and re-engage with owners of popular
>>> embeds after the experiment concludes, assuming that the impact is
>>> significant.
>>>
>>> In addition, embed owners can opt-out from the experiment by setting
>>> loading=eager. That said, we would love to hear why folks feel compelled to
>>> opt-out, and adjust our approach as necessary.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for clarifying!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in thinking that 3P embeds that would like this behavior
>>>> (in the long term) can already opt-in by modifying their snippets to
>>>> include `loading=lazy`?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, some embedders might be able to achieve the same behavior by
>>> setting loading=lazy.
>>> One of the embedders we talked to has already made that change for their
>>> default snippet.
>>>
>>> However, it might not be practical to do so for the embeds already
>>> integrated (hardcoded) by various websites.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, large-scale deployment is hard..
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Or are there differences between this experiment and that approach,
>>>> other than slow adoption by embedders?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>
>>>>>    The page is visible.
>>>>>    -
>>>>>
>>>>>    The iframe's src URL must be cross origin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LazyEmbeds doesn't load the offscreen iframes until the viewport comes
>>>>> near the iframe. So the iframes that are eligible for LazyEmbeds might not
>>>>> be loaded at all. Site authors can specify loading=eager on frames to
>>>>> opt-out LazyEmbeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> The current LazyEmbeds implementations target a 1% stable channel for
>>>>> data gathering purposes. We don't release these LazyEmbeds as-is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blink component: Blink>Loader
>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3ELoader>
>>>>>
>>>>> TAG review
>>>>>
>>>>> None
>>>>>
>>>>> TAG review status
>>>>>
>>>>> Not applicable
>>>>>
>>>>> RisksInteroperability and Compatibility
>>>>>
>>>>> The goal of the experiment is to test if the idea actually improves
>>>>> page load UX. Once that is proven, we would like to start pitching in the
>>>>> standardization forum on having the new behavior part of the spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a rough sketch of how it would look like in terms of
>>>>> specification changes at https://github.com/nyaxt/lazyembeds.
>>>>> LazyEmbeds applies a different loading schedule to offscreen cross-origin
>>>>> <iframe>s. Site authors who believe offscreen content is a critical part 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the user-experience may find this breaks their expectations. To restore 
>>>>> the
>>>>> previous behavior, authors can specify loading=eager on those frames.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ergonomics
>>>>>
>>>>> Websites don’t have to do anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Activation
>>>>>
>>>>> LazyEmbeds works without any developer activation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Security and privacy
>>>>>
>>>>> LazyEmbeds doesn't have any security and privacy concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goals for experimentation
>>>>>
>>>>> We would like to judge if this is a good idea or not before we would
>>>>> like to validate our hypothesis using the performance data (e.g. Core Web
>>>>> Vitals and battery power consumption) collected through the experiment
>>>>> before we proceed to the next steps (open-ended discussion with other
>>>>> vendors, involved 3rd-parties).
>>>>>
>>>>> Experimental timeline
>>>>>
>>>>> We’d like to start an experimental 1% rollout in M104.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's the end milestone for this experiment?
>>>>
>>>
>> Friendly ping on this question :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any risks when the experiment finishes?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows,
>>>>> Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, through the experiment phase, but if the idea proves to be useful
>>>>> through the experiment and makes it to the spec, we will add WPTs to cover
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracking bug
>>>>>
>>>>> https://crbug.com/1247131
>>>>>
>>>>> Launch bug
>>>>>
>>>>> https://crbug.com/1247130
>>>>>
>>>>> Links to previous Intent discussions
>>>>>
>>>>> N/A
>>>>>
>>>>> Link to entry on the feature dashboard <https://www.chromestatus.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not yet.
>>>>>
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