LGTM1 While I sympathize with Mozilla's arguments as to the risk here, it seems that no one here is interested in locking-in the web to today's models. I understand the argument that developers may come to rely in weird ways on the outputs of this API as implemented in popular browsers. But that seems difficult to do given the non-determinism of this API's output on any single browser, and the fact that browsers are incentivized to break such reliance (to avoid lock-in to current models).
Given the potential usefulness of this, I think it makes sense to ship the feature, while keeping an open eye for interop issues, in case they'd come. On Friday, May 23, 2025 at 11:46:53 PM UTC+2 Mike Taylor wrote: > Thanks - I don't have any further concerns, but it seems useful to give > Mozilla a few days to respond to the standards position ping before > approving. > On 5/23/25 12:53 PM, Daseul Lee wrote: > > Friendly ping! > Please let me know if there are further questions or comments. Thank you! > > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 9:36 AM Daseul Lee <ds...@chromium.org> wrote: > >> Please see the inline replies below. >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 4:42 PM Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 5/16/25 12:14 PM, Daseul Lee wrote: >>> >>> Contact emails >>> >>> dome...@chromium.org, kenjibah...@chromium.org, m...@chromium.org, >>> btri...@chromium.org, ds...@chromium.org, a...@chromium.org >>> >>> Explainer >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/writing-assistance-apis/blob/main/README.md >>> >>> Specification >>> >>> >>> https://webmachinelearning.github.io/writing-assistance-apis/#summarizer-api >>> >>> Summary >>> >>> The Summarizer API can convert long input text to more concise text, or >>> recapitulate input text with various requested options, such as text >>> length, format and/or type. Developers may use this API to provide a >>> summary of news articles, reviews or blog posts. >>> >>> Blink component >>> >>> Blink>AI>Summarization >>> <https://issues.chromium.org/issues?q=customfield1222907:%22Blink%3EAI%3ESummarization%22> >>> >>> TAG review >>> >>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/991 >>> >>> TAG review status >>> >>> Pending >>> >>> Origin Trial Name >>> >>> Summarization API >>> >>> Chromium Trial Name >>> >>> AISummarizationAPI >>> >>> Origin Trial documentation link >>> >>> https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/summarizer-api >>> >>> WebFeature UseCounter name >>> >>> kSummarizer_Summarize >>> >>> Risks >>> >>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>> >>> This feature, like all built-in AI features, has inherent >>> interoperability risks due to the use of AI models whose behavior is not >>> fully specified. See some general discussion in >>> https://www.w3.org/reports/ai-web-impact/#interop. >>> >>> By providing a high-level API with clear output formats, as well as a >>> capabilities API for detecting what a given browser supports, we believe we >>> can guide web developers toward using the API in an interoperable way that >>> does not depend on the specific models that a given browser or browser >>> version uses. >>> >>> Gecko: Defer (https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1067 >>> ) >>> >>> There was a request to comment when these features were moving to the >>> I2S stage - can we do to see if Mozilla is ready to give a position? >>> >> Yes, we've given the intent to ship status update: >> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1067 >> >>> >>> WebKit: No signal ( >>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/393) >>> >>> Web developers: Positive (https://github.com/WICG/proposals/issues/163) >>> >>> Origin Trial signups have been 5x higher than what we see from typical >>> Origin Trials, suggesting a lot of developer and partner interest. The >>> survey conducted during the Origin Trial, in February 2025, shows positive >>> quantitative feedback [1], and third-party partners have utilized the API >>> for various use cases [2] [3]. >>> >>> Do you have any qualitative feedback from the OT to share, in particular >>> around the API shape or platform availability limitations (i.e., has anyone >>> given any feedback on the desktop-only nature of these APIs)? >>> >> Platform availability wise, several partners have asked for mobile >> support, which is something we hope to fulfill in future iterations, when >> possible. >> Ergonomics wise, nothing in particular, partners seem to like the API >> (also reflected in the scores we got via the readiness survey[1]). >> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1DhFC2oB4PRrchavxUY3h9U4w4hrX5DAc5LoMqhn5hnk/mobilepresent?slide=id.g349a9ada368_1_6327 >>> >>> [2] https://developer.chrome.com/blog/summarizer-terra-brightsites >>> >>> [3] http://developer.chrome.com/blog/summarizer-redbus-miravia >>> >>> Other signals: >>> >>> Activation >>> >>> This feature would definitely benefit from having polyfills, backed by >>> any of: cloud services, lazily-loaded client-side models using WebGPU, or >>> the web developer's own server. We anticipate seeing an ecosystem of such >>> polyfills grow as more developers adopt this API. >>> >>> >>> WebView application risks >>> >>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such >>> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications? >>> >>> None >>> >>> >>> Debuggability >>> >>> It is possible that giving DevTools more insight into the >>> nondeterministic states of the model, e.g. random seeds, could help with >>> debugging. See related discussion at >>> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/prompt-api/issues/9. >>> >>> >>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, >>> Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)? >>> >>> No >>> >>> Not all platforms will come with a language model. In particular, the >>> initial launch focuses on Windows, Mac, and Linux. >>> >>> >>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>> ? >>> >>> No >>> >>> We have added some web platform test coverage for this feature ( >>> https://wpt.fyi/results/ai/summarizer?label=experimental&label=master&aligned). >>> >>> How much we are able to test beyond the surface API is unclear, given the >>> nondeterministic nature of the output. The explainer discusses this in >>> https://github.com/WICG/writing-assistance-apis/blob/main/README.md#specifications-and-tests >>> . >>> >>> >>> Flag name on about://flags >>> >>> summarization-api-for-gemini-nano >>> >>> Finch feature name >>> >>> AISummarizationAPI >>> >>> Rollout plan >>> >>> Will ship enabled for all users >>> >>> Requires code in //chrome? >>> >>> True >>> >>> Tracking bug >>> >>> https://issues.chromium.org/issues/351744634 >>> >>> Sample links >>> >>> https://chrome.dev/web-ai-demos/summarization-api-playground >>> >>> https://ai.etiennenoel.com/summarizer-api >>> >>> Estimated milestones >>> >>> Shipping on desktop >>> >>> 138 >>> >>> Origin trial desktop first >>> >>> 131 >>> >>> Origin trial desktop last >>> >>> 136 >>> >>> Origin trial extension 1 end milestone >>> >>> 139 >>> >>> >>> Anticipated spec changes >>> >>> None >>> >>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status >>> >>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5193953788559360?gate=5089800596750336 >>> >>> Links to previous Intent discussions >>> >>> Intent to Prototype: >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/rCpcU0ZTgTk >>> >>> Intent to Experiment: >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/X-VxVeiJgtM >>> >>> Intent to Extend Experiment 1: >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/u2MRIDCBZQg >>> >>> >>> This intent message was generated by Chrome Platform Status >>> <https://chromestatus.com/>. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAPhTbOjgsjNHq8YDT5P40P4upEbeXMU-L2N0CaSEWR9z3rhKFw%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAPhTbOjgsjNHq8YDT5P40P4upEbeXMU-L2N0CaSEWR9z3rhKFw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/597a7785-ae00-4932-8aff-6b1c109ccfbe%40chromium.org >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/597a7785-ae00-4932-8aff-6b1c109ccfbe%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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